1968 1000ss running problem

downintime

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The motor runs great while i am holding the key in the crank position but as soon as i let go of the key it dies. No spark when pull starting. Any ideas what the problem might be? Im new to this forum so i will say hi and thanks for any info.
 
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Maxz695

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Welcome to the forum. Have you checked to see if you have an overboad kill lanyard switch? If the key is worn it will short out spark in the run possition. A crossed ground in the key switch will do this as well. Try puling it out a bit and then let go of the key start and see if it keeps running. If no luck unplug the main harness to the engine pigtail and jump the solenoid to verify the problem does not lie in the engine componants. Choking the engine may have to be done to stop the engine. You can come back with results and we can go on from there. Jump start proceedure cross the yellow with the red stripe wire to the battery possitive terminal on the solenoid to get the engine to fire up.
 

downintime

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Thanks max, i will try those options and report back. The key is original and worn so that could be the problem.
 

emckelvy

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Usually that is a symptom of a bad distributor trigger assembly.

But, before trashing that very expensive part, here's something to check:

On the switchbox (ign module), there are a series of connections on the port side coming from the distributor. You don't want to mess with those yet!

On the Starboard side, you'll see more connections. Find a red wire going to one of the posts on the Port side of the switchbox, and check for voltage with the ign "OFF" and also "ON". You should find that the red wire is "hot" all the time.

On the same side of the switchbox as the red wire, you'll find a white wire.

When the ign is "ON", that white wire must be "hot". You can connect your meter or test lite to the white terminal and crank over the engine, if you find power is present in the "START" position but not in the "ON" position, the problem's in your ign switch as you're suspecting.

If you don't find that to be the problem, it's very likely your trigger. Here's a Merc CDI ign test which should help you figure out the problem (info courtesy of Clams Canino):

"MERCURY BATTERY-POWERED CDI TEST FOR DISTRIBUTOR MODELS

This test is for the 332-2986 switchbox used from 1967-1978 on all the inlines.

This test assumes your coil is good (problems with CDI coils are rare).

DISCONNECT BATTERY

1. Turn off ignition;

2. Disconnect all 3 distributor wires on the Port side of the switchbox (and the ?mercury switch? if present);

3. Remove the HV lead from the ign coil to the center of the dist. cap (remember it unplugs from the coil and unscrews from the cap);

4. Reconnect the HV lead to the COIL only;

5. Position the free end of the HV lead approx. 3/8" from ground (block, shrouds etc), and find a way to hold it there;

6. Jumper the brown and white terminals on the dist. side of the switchbox to each other.

RECONNECT BATTERY

7. Check that you have +12V at the red terminal (even with the ign off);

8. Turn on ignition and verify +12V at the white terminal (same side as the red terminal);

9. Ground the black terminal on the distributor side of the switchbox - this should cause a spark each time you touch ground.

If you get spark with the distributor bypassed, and it won't fire with the distributor connected, the trigger is bad and the entire distributor housing assy must be replaced.

If you get no spark using the test, the switchbox is probably bad. In that case, be sure to check for correct power on the switchbox, check all connections, and check the coil's resistance to make sure it's OK.

But for Inline Sixes from approx '68-'79 with belt-driven distributor (3 & 4-cyl's too except for those with Lightning Energizer ign), the above test will confirm a bad trigger. "

Hopefully it's just the ign switch, but this should help you figure it out.......ed

p.s. one other thing you can try before tearing things apart, is to connect a jumper (alligator clips will do) from the red (always "hot") wire to the white wire on the SAME side of the switchbox.

With the white wire jumpered to red, you'll have spark all the time, regardless of position of ign switch. Then see if it'll start and run. If it does, the ign switch is definitely bad. If not, suspect trigger assy. Note: you'll have to pull the jumper to kill the engine!

HTH & G'luck.......ed
 

mr 88

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Max mentioned the main harness,that's where I would start. If you have any sort of corrosion on either the male or female side that can be the source of your issue. Clean both parts, then gently spread the male pins the width of a small thin screwdriver so that you have 100% contact at that point.If that does not work then follow the advice above.
 

downintime

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Maxz, i do not have an overboard lanyard. I also found that there is no play in the key so i could not pull it out a little. I looked into jumping the solinoid and found that the yellow and black wires from the pin plug to the solinoid were very corrodid and frayed so i replaced as much of the wire as i could and put new eyelets on them.
 

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Emckelvy, i found that on the port side if the ignition box the 3 wires to dist, the top two had no power when the key was in the on position and the bottom wire had power but it was barley lighting up the test light and i could hear a faint clicking sound in the dist. I have yet to try the other things you mentioned but i wanted to let you know about that. It might help you help me. Thanks for all the help.
 

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Will a dist post out of a 1974 850 4cyl work if i put a 6 wire cap on it or are they to different?
 
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Maxz695

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

I can,t give you a definite answer on that but here is what I do know. If they have the same carachteristics dimetion and form and have the same internals including the rotor and the pick up points There should be a cam to send the signal to the rotor. You may be able to use the one from the six tower dist on it). And if the 6 tower cap will bolt on. in theory it should work if as stated everything eles matches up. You may have to change the entire shaft as the cam will more than likely be part of the rotor shaft. A 4 point pickup shaft won,t fire 6 cylinders in the correct timing order as it only has four points of pickup, not six.This would be for a points type motor. If you have a trigger and switchbox for ingnition then yes it should in theory work ok if the 4 cyl distributor also had the same type ignition set up. and wire connections as your switchbox will send the signals for the cap terminals
 

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

The dist from a 1974 850 is not the same as the early 1000 the 850 dist has the trigger cast in it and the 1000 has a trigger that bolts to the dist housing, all other parts to the 2 systems are interchangeable. Just the distributors are completely different.
 

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Thanks for the info on the dist guys. I will look into it more.
 

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Your trigger is bad as posted earlier...............
 

downintime

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Re: 1968 1000ss running problem

Thanks faztbullet. Is there any way to fix or repair the trigger or is replacing the dist the only option?
 
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