1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

CaptAng

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Howdy members...I'm a newbie!
And right now, I'm up the proverbial tributary without an adequate means of floatation~

Here's the facts: (better go smoke if you got 'em and grab a drink...):facepalm:
The boat does not run.
The boat has not been out of the water in approx. 17 years.
Steel hull (of course).
Was grounded on some rocks (unintentionally, when a basshole tournament started and everyone had to leave the marina at once) on the 17th of December. (and then again when they came back in and then left again) Also, did not know there was damage at this time.
Was towed to a marina on December 20th. I looked in the engine compartments and they were dry. Did not check anywhere else. Everything seemed fine until the evening of December 26th.
I noticed the boat was listing to the right way more than usual. (I used to keep the boat slightly listing to the right because of a leak I had around the port-side out drive but I patched it several months ago. After patching, I just kept it slightly listing 'just in case') Then, when I opened the fridge door and let go, it slammed shut. Hmmm, never done that before. So I pulled out the items under the galley sink and oh my God! There was about 7" of water in the hull and I have never seen water there before. :eek:
Then I checked the engine compartments and there was about 2" water there. Then checked the first access hole going toward the bow, where my shower sump pump is and there was about 9" of water.
I skipped over the galley area b/c of carpet and lifted the steps up to the salon, crawled under and again, found about 7 to 9" of water in the middle of the hull.
**Backing up a second...when I arrived at the marina, I did not have power until the 23rd and minimal power at that. They have a power issue that will not amended until the first of spring. So the dock manager who lives here ran a bunch of drop cords to at least get my computer, freezer, fridge, heater and a lamp going. I NEVER even considered that my bilge pumps were not on...probably b/c I hadn't had any issues in over a year or so...
Ok, so I used my 1/6 hp submersible utility pump and pumped all that I could out. Then I heard water 'dripping or running or something'. I crawled way down under the galley sink with my handy dandy LED flashlight, looked to the left, everything ok. Looked to the right and lo and behold...if the water were black...I would have thought I was watching the beginning of the Beverly Hillbillys...just like the oil bubblin' up from the ground. :(
Ok, first question~ if I move the fridge out from under the counter, I think I can get right over the leak. But then what? I do have some of that BoatLIFE Life Chalk...a polysulfide sealant and caulking compound...as well as some other similar sealants. But correct me if I'm wrong, should'nt the leak/hole be sealed from the outside of the boat since the pressure is coming from the outside? What do I do??
The leak is not spewing, just bubbling up but I'm having to use my 1/6 hp pump every 3 hours, without fail. I think there may be another leak somewhere else...but I'm not sure how to find it unless I can get this one stopped/plugged. The on-site manager is a welder if there is a plausible option by using his abilities...
And the bilge pumps that I do have, one is in the engine compartment (haven't had anymore water getting back there since the first big pump out, other than maybe less than a 1/4 of an inch) the other one is in the bow, under the outside hatch (and there is no water there). If I put one under the galley sink, where can I put the discharge hose without having to make a hole? And the same goes for under the salon...no hole to put a discharge hose.
**Another thought...there hasn't been anymore water accumulating under the galley sink either, since the initial pump out...even with the hole with the bubbling action. So, A)that water has to going somewhere...and B) if the water isn't rising under the galley sink, then before, when I first found it, the water must have been overflow from another compartment...which is probably the compartment under the salon. That's where I am keeping my big pump to pump out every three hours. And the access hole where my shower sump pump is, will drain when I pump as well...

Hmmm...

After sending this 'ebook'...I'm headed out to get my shore power cords hooked up. But I have no clue what else to do. I'm at a total loss.
Guys....I live on my boat with my feline co-captain, Max. I lost my business due to the economy, which in turn, I lost my house...then had an accident and broke both my legs. I am waiting for my disability hearing which should be happening anytime now, up to 5 months more of waiting. This boat is all I've got left, along with a crapload of my 'stuff' on it. Please give me some advice as to what to do...I've got to make this last just a little bit longer...I have to. I have no where else to go.

All comments and suggestions are welcome...other than 'what the hell you were you thinking' when I bought this old boat... :rolleyes:
All prayers are welcomed too...

CaptAng and Max

PS...Would it help the situation to start moving all my crap off the boat...making it lighter or moving to one side or the other to try and isolate the problem??
I also have some of that stuff that comes in two tubes that you mix together and then it gets hard...if that will help.

Thanks in advance for your time and wisdom~
 

r.j.dawg

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

My first suggestion would be to get that baby up and out of the water to be able to do a complete hull inspection. Given your current financial situation that may be hard so at least a diver to go down and inspect. It's going to be very difficult to repair while it's in the water.
 

Luhrs28

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

The right way to fix it would be to haul it out and weld a patch over the damaged area.

The hack-job method would be to cut a piece of thick rubber sheet big enough to cover the hole, back it with a piece of plywood and compress it in place using a scissors jack and wood blocking. Believe it or not all U.S. Navy submarines carry emergency patch materials like that and the sailors practice using them.

Good luck, and may your fortunes improve in 2012.
 

CaptAng

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

Thank you r.j. dawg and luhrs28 for your comments/advice...

I guess I had my expectations set too high, to think there might be some creative way to remedy this situation on my own...at least to be able to keep her afloat for the next 2-5 months...
I have weighed all my options and had just a little hope left, that someone (out of 150,000) might at least have a feasible idea for the time being.

So, I guess it's time to remove what I want to save from the boat and just let her go.
Thanks again for those who responded and for those who at least read my post.

Happy New Year to All~
 

oops!

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

Hi cap.......Welcome to iboats.

Sorry bout your business....I know how you feel.
Bout the legs.....one word.....and i cant type it on the forum.

ok.....chances are you have more than one hole as suspected.

Go get an automatic bilge pump.....A really big one....and hook it up.

move the fridge....and get in there......then you can use the jb weld to do the area. you will have to find a way to stop the water from coming in while the jb weld cures.....possibly 3m 5200.....its thick and goopy....it will stop a small leak long enough for the jb weld to hold.
the better the prep of the area.....the longer and better the jb weld will do.

after the inital patch....you are either going to have to hire a diver/under water welder....or haul it out on the hard....that is very pricy.

please try to post pics of the area and your boat....it might help us help you.

cheers
oops
 

soggy_feet

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

Steel hull is your salvation here. I stretched my season out an extra month and a half with a 12" crack up near my bow. 1970 Stardust Cruiser 40 houseboat.

If the water is flowing, it'll erode away your lifecaulk before it gets a chance to set, but a gob of plumbers putty and some good sized magnets to hold the putty down (got mine at a hardware store) will work as a temporary patch to keep the water from flowing in.

Don't know if your water temps allow you to do this this time of year, but my next step once the conditions allowed it, was to swim down to the leak with a lifecaulk smothered piece of aluminum flashing (thin) or aluminum foil, and a couple more magnets, to make a more permanent patch.
 

soggy_feet

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

I tried that stuff, but it didnt seem to like being exposed in water. It DOES cure underwater, but you need to be sure its sandwiched between materials. Open faced, as it might be, had the epoxy flaking away before it had a chance to cure when exposed to moving water.
 

Mike Lammert

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

Hello Cap, welcome to the forum. I have to agree with Oops on this one, get yourself a decent size automatic bilge pump, and make a temporary patch to buy yourself time. What kind of holes are they? are they cracks or round holes? What is the water temp? Its likely that the outer hull is completely covered with growth if it hasn't been out of the water in 17 years, so its unlikely that a patch would work on the outside without some prep work....Good luck with it, and my wishes for a healthy and prosperous new year!
 
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WeldZilla

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

You know we use an ultra sound unit on all our hulls steel or aluminum. you can leave the boat in the water just crawl down inside the all the comparments and ultra sound every 6 inches to a foot. you will know exactly how thick your hull is and where all the bad spots are. If the area around the hole is thick enough then the patches as described by luhrs28 is a good temp fix. If the metal around the hole is thick enough there is another fix I have done to boats and barges over the years. One of the boat crews beached a barge hard onto a rock that put a 2inch torn hole in the bottom of the barge. the metal was still dairly good so I beat it down flat with a sledge hammer then I took a piece of 4 inch pipe that was threaded on one end put it down over the hole and welded it over the hole. The pipe actually was long enough that when standing it the top was higher than the waterline. We had to pump all the water we could out of the compartment then built a damn around it about 18 inches in diameter with rags and kept the water blown away from the weld with air. We had to vent the compartment and use a fan to move the weld smoke out. The first pass around got most of the leak and the second pass sealed it then we screwed a 4 inch cap and top of the pipe. Problem solved it was thirteen years later when we re-skinned the barge that the patch came out with the old skin. If there is enough metal there is is steel and there is nothing easier to work with any where!! Somebody in your area must have an ultra-sound set up for metal. It can be welded up with either 7018 or 6011 rod.
If its real thin use 3/32 if necessary although if it is a little thicker say 3/16 or more you could use 1/8 stick
If there is a small wire machine (110v) use .030 inner shield. clean the area before welding lightly with a grinder. Just clean don't remove metal.

Ok all that being said if you or your welder are in doubt then use a semi soft rubber patch and wood over the top jacked down tight enough to stop the leak and get a good auto bilge pump.

WZ
 

soggy_feet

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

Mike, You've got me confused with the OP. I've gone thru this mess already, and Im offering my advice from being in EXACTLY the same situation, with a steel hulled houseboat.
And for the record, I have 5 bilge pumps ranging from around 300gph, to 2000 gph, none pumping with more than 12" of head, a stack of deep cycle batteries, and a few hundred dollars worth of solar panels on the roof.

This is the damage I dealt with. Counting the hairline parts you can't see in the photo, it was about 16" long.
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You can see where my original patch was when it first sprung a leak. I used a cut up coke can slathered with lifecaulk, and held in place with magnets until it cured. My biggest issue is the use of coal tar epoxy as bottom paint. Ever see a sealant or adhesive that says its fine to use it on an oily surface? Thats because they don't exist. Ha! wait... :/

Anyway, it worked unless I got out in rough water, and it'd eventually peel up on one side and start leaking again, but it was never meant to be permanent.

Over the course of the season, the crack grew. And again and again I found myself wondering if I should cut the season short, and haul out, or if I could come up with a better temporary patch. Ended up using the plumbers putty I mentioned above, and magnets on the inside to hold it down. If I stayed on the mooring, the bilge wouldn't come on but every couple days. More than manageable for the situation.

I made it until the beginning of November, and was actually one of the last power boats to come out. Only ones left were those crazy sailboat guys who go out on miserable december days because there's a good stiff breeze... Might as well stay at home and stand in a cold shower... but I digress...
 

boat_beginner

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

First, make sure you are ventilating the tanks before you enter them, that is a confined space, and can possibly be deadly. And there is a product that is referred to as "red hand", or "soft patch", that might be a possibility, I believe it is made by International?, it is a two part putty, don't quote me on the brand though, but if you can get your hands on that stuff, it is VERY durable. It is used for temporary patches on barges, and is very hard to get off, its hard to burn off with a torch when it comes to welding the fracture up. Ask around the dock you are on and see if anyone might have some that you could get from them. If that is not possible, i would go with the idea that Luhrs28 had about the piece of rubber, and plywood, or a piece of steel would be better, and use a scissor jack to hold it into place, seen that many times before too. Which every way you decide to fix it, i would strongly recommend using the automatic pump to ensure it don't take on to much water, because you have to keep in mind, it is a temporary patch, and might not seal the water 100 percent, but at least greatly slow it down till it can get properly repaired.
 

ondarvr

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Re: 1969 River Queen Houseboat~~ HELP!! Taking on water...

I used to repair swimming pools and had to stop leaks like this frequently. This will work if the leak is small like you said.

If you can get in the water, or reach the outside in some way, clean the gunk off the best you can, the smoother the better. Now get a garbage bag and spread over the leak, the water pressure will hold it place. It should stop it or slow it down enough to either repair it from the inside or give you some time figure out more permenant fix. Modeling clay may help on the out side, spread some over the crack, it may suck through, but it give the bag a better seal around the leak.
 
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