1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

boatmanwayne

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Needing ideas, have done a jumping out of gear search, but with all the cures I still have the problem. The unit was skipping, checked forward gear & clutch dog, they were damaged, replaced FWD & clutch (new parts), all other components look perfect. I have manual, all parts are there and in correct order. I have done this before on an identical engine and it was cured, but this one still has a gremlin I can't find somewhere. <br /> I have test run this and can make it stay in gear while holding shifter foward with about 5 lbs. pressure, but if I let up it will finally jump again.<br /> Hope someone can shed some light on this, It sure has me lost. Thanks for some ideas.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

Wayne.... There may be play in the linkage between the shift handle and the lower unit (at the engine), and/or the shift linkage may be adjusted wrong.<br /><br />With the shifter dog and gear lobes lined up so that they run into each other rather than the normal (in gear) alongside each other, the distance the shift lever (at the engine) travels should be equal. The following may be of some interest to you.<br /><br />(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)<br /> <br />This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".<br /> <br />Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.<br /> <br />When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.<br /><br />The lobes of the dog and gears are percisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are percisely machined with sharp angles!<br /> <br />Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those percisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.<br /> <br />Some boaters have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those percisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

boatmanwayne

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

Joe Reeves, Thanks for your reply. I plain forgot to state that I replaced the indent spring and balls also, my way of thinking is that this spring helps hold the clutch in its respected position? It does seem to have a more precise pressure than the old parts, although it did'nt help. I do have a very slight slack in the shift shaft/lever combo, I believe this is due to normal wear, but the shift shaft is the two piece type w/brass coupler, but it is in good shape and tight. I'm going to take it apart again and check the forward tapered bearing assy. as I only gave it a quick look over previously. But I will check back before reassembly to check for any more replys to what I might be missing. Thanks again
 

rodbolt

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

hello <br /> I am not real clear on this. does this motor have remote controls or is it tiller handle ?
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

A thought.... That shifter dog is to be installed only one way. There is a groove on one end of the dog which is to face the prop end. If installed backwards, the unit will not stay in gear.<br /><br />I know that on many engines the groove faces forward but the book is quite specific on which way this one faces.
 

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

Hello BMW,<br />This information is from a 1976 Johnson service manual for 35 HP.<br /><br />SHIFT HANDLE ADJUSTMENT<br /><br />If removed or replaced, check shift handle adjustment with REVERSE, NEUTRAL, FORWARD, on lower motor cover.<br /><br />a. Place gearshift in neutral. Propeller should turn freely. The roller on the shift lever should be centered on the neutral detent on the shifter lock lever. When shifted into forward gear, you should feel a slight shift dog drag when turning propeller shaft back and forth. This indicates full engagement between clutch dog and forward gear.<br /><br />b. If out of adjustment, shift gearcase linkage into neutral. Propeller shaft should turn freely. Loosen shift lever clamp screw and adjustment screw. <br /><br />c. Move shift lever into neutral detent on shifter lock. Tighten both screws. Shift into forward gear and feel for slight drag. If you do not feel the drag, then readjust shift lever slighty toward reverse position and tighten screws. Recheck for drag. This drag in forward gear assumes that the shifter dog and gear are in full engagement.<br /><br />I could not get the screws loose on the shift lever on my motor so I made the adjustment at the shift rod connector by making the shift lever pull the shift rod further up in forward gear. You might not think you can feel the drag but if you really pull the shift rod up you will feel it. <br /><br />The manual confirms Joe's statement about the grove on the dog facing the propeller.
 

boatmanwayne

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Re: 1976 35 h.p. evinrude gears jumping

Joe Reeves, Rockfinder, and others, I did as you all advised, checked direction of clutch groove, it was right. Then further checked the shift linkage slack, there was some. After setting the clutch drag, replacing the roller on the shift detent and putting in a slightly stronger spring on the upper part of the shift arm it WORKS!! like a dream. I should have read a little further on in the manual, because the info is there. But anyway thanks again, I just wanted to be sure to get back and post the good news, as I have followed many post on this forum never to know the outcome. Sincerely Wayne
 
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