1979 70HP Johnson bogged down after using Seafoam...

marcusknight

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I have a hunch this has happened to many other people. I was trying to improve my performance by running the specified amount of Seafoam through the fuel system. I added the appropriate amount of fuel, oil, and seafoam to the fuel tank and ran through a full tank. Not much time later, on a new tank of gas without seafoam I started having problems. It stalls easily at idle and I can't seem to get the engine above about 2000 RPMs or so. I took the spark plugs out and other than the usual oil residue I did not see much difference. See pictures. Next steps?
 

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1983 ercoa 21'

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Could have the sea foam knocked something lose in the fuel system and plugged a fuel filter,or the screen at the pump or even plug some jets ?
 

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That's another good possibility.Doing a drop test will tell you which cylinder is acting up.
 

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Can someone remind me how to do a so called drop test. I am thinking disconnect one of the spark plug wires one at a time and then start it up and look for a difference or not in RPMs?
 

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Can someone remind me how to do a so called drop test. I am thinking disconnect one of the spark plug wires one at a time and then start it up and look for a difference or not in RPMs?
yes but do it while running with insulated pliers, its heaps easier to notice a difference then
 

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Just did the cylinder drop test. Top Cylinder dies instantly when removing wire while running. Middle Cylinder wire removal changes NOTHING! Lower cylinder spark plug wire when removed the engine will start to spudder just a little more. Checked spark on middle Cylinder, spark is fine. Whats next? Remove middle carburetor and have cleaned? Not sure how to do that. I will probably have to remove it myself and take it somewhere. I am going to try running it for a while longer with more sea foam to see if it clears itself out first.
 

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If it was my motor, I would try cleaning the idle and high speed orifices (jets) with carb cleaner spray before I started removing carbs and letting someone else rebuild them. I have successfully done that with two buds' motors, a 60HP three-cylinder Mercury and a 60HP three-cylinder Evinrude. I did them both without removing the jets which helped avoid damaging them or dropping them down into the exhaust housing. NOTE: Stuff shop rags or towels into the lower cowling openings before attempting to remove the orifice plugs (screws), washers and O-rings so you can catch anything you might drop! BTDT.

If you choose this route, do not be tempted to ream-out the brass jets with something made of steel like drill bits or piano wire because you could damage the precision fueling metering orifices. The carb cleaner spray should do the trick. Other members have suggested using wooden toothpicks or weed-wacker/trimmer string if you believe something is blocking an orifice that carb cleaner will not remove. A special tool is required to properly remove orifices.
 

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Well I found three Orifice screws and removed them and sprayed carb cleaner in all three holes. Waited two hours, tried starting and still it is giving me problems. Then I took I piece of plastic bristle like material and poked it in all the holes. It DID go into the orifices all the way. However, nothing changed in the performance of the engine when I started it after. So, what should I try next?
 

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I'm sorry the jet cleaning process did not help you but at least you can check that off the list. Since you did the dropped cylinder test and identified one as problematic, you need to move to the next level of testing that. Boobie or one of the other experts may post in and recommend something but my old geezer brain thinks you should swap coils between a "good" cylinder and the one that tested bad. Then perform the dropped cylinder test again. If the problem follows the coil, you have a clear answer to the test and can order a new coil with confidence. NOTE: Do not swap plug wires with the coil swap test as it could be bad also and distort the results. Plug wires are cheaper than coils if you want to start low on the money tree. Good luck!
 

1983 ercoa 21'

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Have you done a compression test?

also if you know that cylinder isn't firing and you think it's fuel do not take it to the lake hoping it will straighten out the fuel is how that cylinder gets lived.

a quick test would be. Pre mix in a squirt bottle and while idle on muffs squirt some in that carb if it picks up and hits then you know it's a fuel issue therefore remove carb and find the problem.
 

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When you clean the jets with carb spray, are we talking like one little squirt in each hole, or something much longer than that?
 

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I'd give them a good shot with the tube attached to the nozzle of the can. Walmart has it for $1.97 a can.
 

1983 ercoa 21'

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B12 chemtool is about the best out there. And yes when squirting in the passages it should come out the other end as strong as it does the straw
if one is uncertain where things are in a car look up a break down online at brp and always be certain to remove all the jets.
 

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Did you change the spark plug? It may spark out of the cylinder but that doesn't always tell the whole story. Leave no stone unturned.
 

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I only squirted the stuff in each hole for like one second each. Should I be spraying in much longer instead? Yeah I tried replacing the spark plugs.
 

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I personally don't buy into the "don't use ether in 2 strokes" but if that bothers you just pull the spark plug out and give it a shot of gas. I typically do this when starting an ob that has been sitting for months or years. A cap full of gas is all it takes to get ignition, sometimes it takes a few applications to get gas from the carb flowing enough to keep the motor running. Its easy to stick a nail into the fuel connector and pump it into the cyl too.
 

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The usual oily residue you refer to in your first post (plugs) ain't usual, seems to me. It's a sign of poor combustion, rich carb setting, too much oil in the gas, incorrect plug gap -- not saying it's some kind of fatal condition, but would see it as potentially related to your running problems. Motor may be stumbling at higher rpms, if it's running too rich. Jets are fixed (and you worked at cleaning them), so think I would look at fuel contamination (water or other), age of gas, and then oil ratio in gas. Have spark on all three when checked (assuming the spark you saw is a good hot spark) -- should be OK, unless ignition is acting up at high rpms (harder to diagnose, but less likely than a fuel related issue.)

Just running a motor can clear issues -- learned from an old outboard mechanic years ago that letting a motor run for an hour is often the only cure needed. Might put in fresh gas and oil, then find an rpm level where the motor runs out smoothly, and just run it there for a half hour or so and enjoy the lake.

not a great fan of sea foam, although has its place. seems like a lot of folks use it as routine maintenance and might create issues. swear by it or at it, not sure.

[edit. assume running temps are OK, not sure if that was addressed -- engine not overheating, or running cold. Cold running could produce fouling.]
 
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Sprayed the crap out of the 3 orifice holes on the middle carb today. Thought that would do the trick. Put everything back together and took it to the lake. No such luck. No change, Took it back home. Took everything apart again. This time removed the carburetor from the engine. Opened it up expecting to see a lot of sludge on the bottom. I see none.

So now what? I am thinking of soaking it in some carb cleaner, also taking the jets out this time which I have not done yet. Sigh...
 

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Well after two days of taking the carbs apart and cleaning them, I think I got it running fine now. The only debri or sludge I find inside the carbs was in the bottom carb. Ironic because the cylinder drop test seemed to indicate that the middle cylinder was the problem. That I just cant figure out. But at least its running again.
 
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