1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

donnyd

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This is my first rebuild and I believe I need to replace a wrist pin bearing (maybe more when I open it up). I got a manual and flywheel puller and feel mechanically capable. I'm told I don't have to have a rod cap alignment tool. True? Do I need a ring compressor? I'm not rebuiding the carbs. Any other tricky processes? Thanks.
 

catfish1

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

welcome aboard! do you have a repair manual? if not you should get one, iboats sells them. a rebuild consists of much more than just a wrist pin bearing. you will need to check for cylinder wear, roundness, torque specs, etc. the manual will provide all of these tolerances. good luck!
 

Hooty

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

The rod caps are matched to the individual rods. They will not interchange. I use hose clamps for ring compressors and they work fine. If ya need a hand, here's my email address. Drop a line with your fone nr. and I'll help ya if I can.<br /><br />jehart1@comcast.net<br /><br />g'luck & c/6<br />Hooty
 

donnyd

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

Thanks Catfish and Hooty. Yes, I have a one manual and I just ordered another brand.<br />Hooty - I'll send you an email. Thanks for the offer!
 

OBJ

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

Don....I would also seriously consider rebuilding the carbs also. This should be done with all rebuilds.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

Hello<br /> if your gonna do it do it all:) or you will regret it. it is mandatory to replace the rod bolts. I have a 1995 225 now that has 3 hours on since a "rebuild" it also now has a hole in the crankcase due to a rod bolt head that is missing.when you get it all torn down is when you must decide how much and what to due. a general gude is bore all cylinders,replace wristpins,pin bearings rod bearings and at least the bottom main as it absorbs crank thrust.do the carbs. replace the fuelpump or vro pump. if oil injected clean and inpect the tank. replace all oil and fuel filters. replace the water pump. inspect the upper driveshaft bearing housing. replace all thermostat/pressure relief parts.rebuild the carbs the kits are only 16 dollars or so.I know it sounds like a bunch but a rebuild is just that. anything less is a patch and patches sometimes pop.get the manuals and study them so you know what your looking at. the cap alignment tool is very nice but not nessasary. a ring compresser is handy, mine is a blue point kit that sells for 59 dollars or so. a pair of blunted butter knives and patience will work just as well.you will need a 5/16ths 12 point socket. the rodbolt torque is about 32ft pounds. dont buy cheap here. get the snapon3/8drive.in almost 30 years of making a living with outboards I have seen maybe 2 actually wear out. the rest died a premature death due to neglect or corrsion.if you suspect a pin bearing failure then also suspect a rod failure as well<br /> the tolerance on the wear for the big end and the pin end is about .0005 inch. which is also about the wear tolerance for the crankpins and main bearing surfaces. if your not comfortable checking the wear tolerances take the parts to a machine shop with your service manual and they can do it.what ever you do dont put it back together as a fresh wore out motor. the results wont be very good and you wont be happy. this poor guy with the blown 225 is not at all. the 30 day warrenty he got is past and I am teling him about 4000 to repair it and he is crying he just spent 3800 on it. nothing I can do.good luck read the manual and if you must cut corners dont do it on the rodbolts or aftermarket gaskets.I have never had problems with aftermarket cast pistons. if you use TRW or wiesco forged then make sure you tell the machine shop so they can bore extra clearence. the new bore instructions should come with forged pistons. would also be a good idea to open up the gear case and inspect that but I imagine you will be busy with the upper so do one at a time maybe.remember with outboard motor internal parts cleanliness is not next to godliness. it is absolutly mandatory. if you do nothing else scrub and rescrub the block after all gasket surfaces are cleaned and the boring is done then make it 2 wash jobs. I use 150 degree hot water and dawn dishwashing liquid. by the time I am finnished rinsing the block is hot and a short burst of air will evaporate all the moisture.do not use a wire brush to clean any aluminium parts. I use a scotchbrite type of pad made by 3-M on a drill. rips right through the gaskets without damaging the casting.use gel seal remover on the crankcase halves. and use eye and skin protection. that is some nasty stuff.<br />good luck and I hope its all a fresh water motor :)
 

donnyd

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

This is my first posting and wow, you guys really give some detail and good advice! Thanks. A couple of questions which requires me to give the history of my 1985 Johnson 70hp. I bought it in 12/92 and I learned my lesson - Always have it checked out before buying. The VRO was bad and I had to have new sleeves pressed in it and they put in Sierra pistons and rings. Last month it was stalling at plane out. I thought it was the carbs. and I didn't want to mess with carbs. so I took it in. Also had the impeller replaced. It wasn't the carbs - bad head gasket. Now there is a slight knock at idle. Was told it is a bad bearing as the mechanic said all the cylinder walls looked good. Compression on #2 was 135 and 140 on #3. I didn't ask what the numbers were after the new gasket. Question - Is Sierra a quality product? I planned on putting new Sierra rings in all three along with wrist pins, lower bearing and whatever bearing needed replacing. I planned on doing another compression test before opening. Would it be a big mistake to not have it honed and just put new rings on? Thanks.
 

maineboat

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Re: 1985 Johnson 70HP Rebuild

Thanks for the great insight and information, rodbolt. I hadn't really thought about rod bolts; I will be working on a 1986 Johnson 70hp this winter, and want to do a good job on it. no sense in cutting corners....
 
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