1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

505callyourball

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Haven't seen much info on this motor. 4-banger says 190 on the valve cover (hp). Started up fine, no smoke may need a timing adjustment but seemed okay. Decent motor? Longevity? Any quirks I should look out for? Thanks guys.

Also it had a 4-bladed prop. 2500lb boat, seems a little much for the setup, what do you think?
 

505callyourball

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

This thing also has closed cooling system. I know what that means but have no idea how it works on a boat or how to maintain it on a boat. Thanks for the info on this too!
 

dubs283

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

do a forum search for mercruiser 470 and you will find tons of info about "quirks"
 

robjen1019

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

Just do yourself a favor and walk away.
 

cooter2506

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

Dont walk RUN!!!!! Lots of quirks and problems. Not a good boat motor to own. Sorry for the news!!! BUT some people love those things.
 

darot

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

when it runs right its a great setup. very good on gas with a great hp output to engine weight ratio. I have owned one for about 10 years. I do like it but just like the other posts indicate, it has tons of problems but there is plenty of history to help you fix them pretty cheaply. The common problems are the charging system, if you have the integrated charging system and it still works, plan on tearing it out and installing an alternater. The cooling impellor seal will leak as well due to a wear groove on the cam shaft but this is easy to fix also (just add a second seal on the cam shaft).

others have had problems with the head gaskets (iron head and al block).

if it runs good I would do a compression check, assumming its ok, then knock off $1,500 on the price, if they sell it for that your probably ok, if not walk away.
 

505callyourball

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

well that certainly helps. the boat is relatively cheap. my offer on the entire vessel wouldn't be much more than 1500 altogether being it's needs an outdrive. (water in the lube) Motor was moody to get started but otherwise okay. As far as the closed cooling; I wanted this because i thought it would be better in saltwater. Is that true or is it complicated? BTW didn't know it was called a 470, tried to search other words and came up short, will try the 470 search. Thanks guys.
 

wahooin

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

run dont walk! I have twin 470/3.7 and nothing but problems from coolin to charging SAVE YOUR SELF ALOT OF HEADACHES!
 

bruceb58

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

$1500 would be too much even if it didn't have the 470.
 

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

Ayuh,... $1500. is about $1499. Too Much...
 

cr2k

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

One good thing about the 470....It takes some of flack off the OMC stringers.

Merc designed block for a ford bb head and an outboard charging system.

Somehow it got the worst of all.
 

natemoore

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

A-6 BN. Cool. I was a Marine EA-6B Prowler ECMO. Never went to the boat, although I did go to the boat school.

You want to learn all about the 470, just read my recent posts. Here is my opinion. If I knew then what I know now, I would have avoided the 470 and looked for a 4.3l V-6 boat. There weren't many boats for sale when we went shopping. Most were either too big, too expensive, wrong type, or bigger pieces of crap. However, I'm now a 470 owner and that can't be changed.

I think nowdays our expectations are so high because even Chrysler vehicles are built well compared to two decades ago. Some people heap scorn on any engine that requires any attention besides changing the oil. But you and I are used to doing thorough preflights and constantly scanning the gauges.:D

You know about the seal on the camshaft that could leak coolant into the crankcase. With two seals, if the first one starts to leak, you'll notice coolant dripping at the bottom of the timing chain cover before it starts leaking into the crankcase. Just keep and eye on it.

You've also been told about the problem with overheating and the head gasket. If it doesn't have the 4" heat exchanger, that upgrade will cost several hundred dollars. I've read that is a critical upgrade. Keep an eye on the temperature gauge.

Alternator conversion kit was easy to install, so don't sweat that. Replacing the starter with the engine in the boat is torture, especially if it's 98 degrees and you're stupid enough to ignore the shade of that big Magnolia tree in your front yard for half the day like I did.:redface:

Most doghouses drip water onto the engine in the number 3 or 4 piston area causing corrosion. When I pulled my head off, it wasn't usable. Too much rust. In fact, for some reason those two cylinders seem to be problem prone. I found coolant in the exhaust manifold of #3 and #4, so I suspect that either the exhaust manifold gasket was leaking or the gasket between the exhaust manifold and the coolant tank that sits on top was. You can add a gutter system under the doghouse to keep the crashing sea spray off the engine using large pvc pipe.

You'll hear a lot of complaining that there aren't parts for it, but I've been able to find all the parts I need for a complete rebuild, and if my block is flat, I'll be able to reassemble my engine with new pistons and bearings for $600 including the machine shop work.

I've found the engine easy to work on. I pulled the engine by myself with no problems. Very simple engine.

My only regret is that I paid too much for the boat to start with:(, but hell it had a brand new pretty paint job and started and ran well, until I noticed the steam at startup after I bought it. If you do make an offer, assume that you will need to pull the engine and rebuild it (if fact, assume that if you buy a 4.3L of a significant age).

I've learned a lot about what to look for in a boat and this was my first powerboat. I'll chalk up the extra I paid for the valuable knowledge I gained.
 

505callyourball

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Re: 1986 Merc inline 4 190hp, good or bad?

You guys have been great and I appreciate all the info. I suppose I'll leave it alone. If I had bought it then I would jump in and get to work. Concensus seems to be "don't buy" so that's what I'll do. I don't mind a little grease under the nails but I really don't have the time right now. Found a WAC Pro-Line '98 model with a Merc outboard, think I'm headed in that direction. Once again, thanks all...
 
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