1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

jmw129

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I recently switched props and the newer prop I bought from iboats and is currently on my engine so I'm little stumped here.

Couple months back I replaced my 19in with 17in Hustler to get more hole shot & raise my WOT from 5200 to 5600.

Here is the kicker, once I reached 4,200+ RPM's my engine will jump / jerk forward for a split second making a bang noise but the engine runs fine but will do it more and more often while I run in
the 4200+ RPM range.

Is it possible that my 17in Hustler prop is slipping?

Would that make the engine jump/jerk forward with a bang noise for a split second?

I would like to hear anyone who had this experience or known someone who has & figured out the cause..

Thank you in advance for your input!
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

Clutch Dog worn and/or out of adjustment.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

Possibly you have the shift cable misadjusted? If so...........

(Centering Shift Cable)
(J. Reeves)

When all is as it should be, the proper method to adjust the shift cable is to disconnect the cable from the engine. Move the shift linkage on the engine to find the center of the play in neutral, and when found, leave it centered.

Now, grab the end of the shift cable sleeve, push and pull it to find the center of the play there, and center that play.

Adjust the trunion on the threaded portion of the shift cable so that the centered play of the cable lines up with the centered play of the engine's shift linkage. Install and lock the shift cable with the retaining clamp in that position. That's it.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

Sigh. The so called clutch-dog in the gearcase is either out of adjustment or worn out. Trust me, been there.

It was more of a "Wham", or "Bam" on my boat vs a "Bang" btw.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

A misadjustment of the shift cable will result in having the engine jump out of and back into gear, resulting in having the engine jerking and banging. However since my initial reply is causing another member to sarcastically "sigh".... here's a little more info from my database.

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

jmw129

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

So if the lobes are rounded then how do I fix the clutch dog?

Earlier this summer I professionally had the cables replaced and the OMC throttle box put back together since I originally took it apart not realizing the process wasn't as easy as it looked.

The first 3 weeks after the work was done the engine shifted fine, then a week later I put a new prop on & shortly after that I'm guessing within 2 weeks the 4,200+ RPM's shifting started happening.

Is it possible the adjustment the mechanic did at the start of season some how worked itself a "Tiny" amount loose?

Just hope I don't have to do a lower unit rebuild!


A misadjustment of the shift cable will result in having the engine jump out of and back into gear, resulting in having the engine jerking and banging. However since my initial reply is causing another member to sarcastically "sigh".... here's a little more info from my database.

(Jumping Out Of Gear - Manual Type)
(J. Reeves)

This pertains to lower units on all OMC manual shift outboard engines, or any OMC engine with lower units defined as a Shift Assist or a Hydro Electric Shift unit which incorporates a "Shifter Clutch Dog".

Within the lower unit, splined to the prop shaft is what is most often referred to as a clutch dog, hereafter simply called dog. The dog has at least two lobes protruding from it on both ends, facing both forward and reverse gear. The forward and reverse gears also have lobes built into them near their center area. When the engine is running, in neutral, the gears are spinning constantly via the driveshaft being connected directly to the powerhead crankshaft, but the propeller does not turn due to the fact that the dog is centered between the two gears, and the dog lobes are not touching either of the gear lobes.

When the unit is put into either gear, shift linkages force the dog (and its lobes of course) to engage the lobes of the gear. The lobes of the spinning gear grab the lobes of the dog, and since the dog is splined to the prop shaft, the propeller turns.

The lobes of the dog and gears are precisely machined, most with right angled edges that could be installed in either direction, and some with angles slightly varied that must be installed in one direction only (one end only must face the propeller). Dogs that can be installed in one direction only, if reversed, even if the dog and both gears were new.... would jump out of gear almost immediately. Keep in mind that the lobes are precisely machined with sharp angles!

Due to improper adjustment or worn shift linkages, but usually due to improper slow shifting, those precisely machined sharp edges of the lobes become slightly rounded. Now, with those lobes rounded, as the rpms increase, the pressure of the gear lobes upon the dog lobes increases to a point whereas they are forced apart (jumping out of gear), and due (usually) to the shift cable keeping tension on the engines shift linkages..... the unit is forced back into gear giving one the sensation that the engine has hit something, and the cycle continues.

Some boaters with manual shift engines have the mistaken belief that shifting slowly is taking it easy on all of the shifting components..... Wrong! Shifting slowly allows those precisely machined sharp edges of the dog and gears to click, clank, bang, slam against each other many times before they are finally forced into alignment with each other..... and this is what rounds those edges off! The proper way to shift is to snap the unit into gear as quickly as possible.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

If the lobes are rounded off, either replace the parts (dog & gear) or have them machined back to specifications if possible at a reliable machine shop.
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

I agree with Joe!

But, there is a chance that the initial adjustment is out a bit due to possible cable stretch. Follow Joes procedure on adjustment and see how it does..

Larry
 

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

I'd also check your gear oil for metal filings. A buddy of mine had a similar era Evinrude 115 that would "THUNK" periodically, getting more and more frequent. Turned out the gears had come part and occasionally a chunk of gear would get caught between the pinion and gears and drive the driveshaft upwards with a very audible "THUNK". Made the whole boat shake and was VERY similar to a bad clutch dog...
 

jmw129

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

Hey guys,

I'll let you know as soon I have the boat back & know the exact problem.

My boat mechanic who installed the cables and put back together my OMC throttle box said that if my clutch dog was bad that were would be a noticeable clicking sound.

He told me that he thought the cable had stretched a small amount causing the gear to jump out of gear. He didn't seemed too worried about the repair / issue and didn't suggest or make any indication that the clutch dog is bad so let's keep my fingers crossed & pray for good luck.

Overall my "Old Evinrude," has been a tougher old runner.

Now if my boat was a 18 or 19ft'er with a 200hp instead of a 16ft'er with a 120 then life would be great :)

Thanks,

Jeremy


I'd also check your gear oil for metal filings. A buddy of mine had a similar era Evinrude 115 that would "THUNK" periodically, getting more and more frequent. Turned out the gears had come part and occasionally a chunk of gear would get caught between the pinion and gears and drive the driveshaft upwards with a very audible "THUNK". Made the whole boat shake and was VERY similar to a bad clutch dog...
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1988 Evinrude V4 120 - Making Bang Noise in Higher RPM's??

A "clicking" sound occurs when the shift linkage/cable is out of adjustment which causes the dog and gear to touch each other ever so slightly when in neutral. It does not indicate that the dog is worn (yet) but this misadjustment will in time result in rounding off the lobes.
 
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