1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

JonTX

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This motor will sound the overheat horn after running 5-10 minutes at or close to WOT in 45 degree lake water temperature. In 80 degree water temp last summer, it would sound the horn at mid throttle and on one occasion we had to come back in at idle to keep the horn from going off. In all cases, reducing throttle would shut the horn up.

When the problem first occurred, we replaced the water pump. We have flow out the tell-tale, but the horn still goes off. Steady on horn when activated ? not beeping. We have removed the water jacket covers, thermostats, temperature switches, and heads - cannot find any visual reason for the engine to overheat. I have done 3 separate tests in hot oil to each temperature switch. The port side temperature switch (1 wire) will close at 197-216 and open back up at 164-165. The starboard switch (2 wires) will close at 201-213 and open back up at 193-196.

The thermostats start to open at 125, and come full open shortly above that.
There is no excessive corrosion or crud visible anywhere. The rubber diverter tubes in between the cylinder walls appear to be in place and intact.

Are there any recommendations where to look next? I tried to shoot the engine with a heat gun while running, but couldn't really get on it safely during the time the horn would go off and by the time we got the boat slowed down to a safe speed, the horn had quit and the highest temp I could read was 136. Not a really good test. I can order the thermomelt sticks as instructed in the service manual, but based on the temp switch test, I?m expecting the 163 degree stick marks will be melted. In the meantime am wondering what could cause the engine to be overheating if in fact it really is getting hot. The temp switches seem to be saying that it should be hot when they go off.

Is there an actual temperature gauge that could be installed on this motor with the display up at the console so we could visually monitor the actual temperature while running? Any suggestions on how to verify proper flow of water from the pump and through the engine? Is there any possibility that a lean fuel condition could be causing the horn to alarm? I'm grasping at straws now on how to properly diagnose this problem. thanks...Jon
 

HighTrim

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

Welcome to iboats jon.

Are you positive that it is indeed the overheat alarm you are hearing? What does it sound like?
 

JonTX

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

Thank you for the welcome Chris.

This alarm horn is a solid sustained tone that once started, stays on continuous until it shuts off. The book says this sustained solid tone is the alarm for overheat and is signaled from one of the two temperature switches closing and completing the circuit to sound the horn. It apparently quits when both the temperature switches have opened back up to break the circuit. The horn usually shuts off after the engine is slowed down to idle. This alarm is not either of the two different beeping patterns that would indicate low oil level or no oil flow from the VRO system.

It may take a while before it will alarm for the first time of the day, but after that it will alarm at lower and lower RPMs for the rest of the day. The hotter the lake water temperature is, the worse the alarm problem is. It has always stayed off (no alarm) at idle speeds, allowing us to at least get back to the ramp.
 

jwbmarine

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

this could be the fuel restriction activation,but it would not be temp sensitive.u need to verify eng temp,..or disc vacuum sw for fuel restriction to see which is your true prob.
 

R.Johnson

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

Any thought to a water pump problem, such as not enough flow to engine at all speeds.
 

JonTX

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

jwbmarine,
I will have to research this fuel restriction switch thing - was not aware of it. It sets a solid alarm horn also? For verifying engine temp, what method of test would be best? As I mentioned above, I didn't have much luck with the heat gun and only other thing I know of is the thermomelt sticks.
 

JonTX

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

Any thought to a water pump problem, such as not enough flow to engine at all speeds.
Yes, water pump/flow is suspect. Just don't know how to check to verify it.
This horn problem occured, then we replaced the water pump, housing, plate, etc. all new, but the problem didn't go away. Makes me think the pump was not the problem in the first place. I would like to be able to verify flow at different engine speeds but just don't know how to do that.
 

HighTrim

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

I dont believe you are over heating, rather getting the fuel restriction warning. It is the same steady tone as the overheat. The only difference is that the overheat would not go away by decreasing RPM`s, the fuel restriction would. If you would like to verify this (as would I) the sensor is located near(but not in) the oil tank. Un plug it when your are getting the buzzer and see if it stops. If it does, I would start by checking the vent on your built in fuel tank, and the anti syphon valve located at the tank, they are notorious for sticking in a semi closed position restricting fuel flow. Also check all your fuel lines and fuel line connections.
 

JonTX

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Re: 1989 Evinrude 150hp temperature switch/over heat problem

HighTrim and jwbmarine:
I think you guys are on to something with the fuel restriction switch. The symptoms make that seem likely - sure wish I'd have known about that before taking everything apart LOL.

I'm trying to verify the location of this switch. On this model E150STLCEM, the only vacuum switch that shows up on BRP online parts manual appears to be mounted to the engine, with a hose tee'd into the fuel line in between the pump and the inline fuel filter. Is this the suspect? Also, does this switch only alarm on excess vacuum i.e. plugged tank vent or restriction in lines? or, does it also alarm on weak vacuum as from a loose connection sucking air?

I really appreciate the help and everyone's replies. I'm ordering head gaskets today and the other gaskets to put it all back together along with the $30 worth of thermomelt sticks just to be darn sure if the motor is getting hot or not. I'm now betting it is not getting hot but want to be completely sure.
 
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