1989 OMC cobra taking on water when beached

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infideltarget

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he already HAS the good running OMC. Why junk it and spend money on something else...that does the exact SAME THING? SOME of us do not have $$$$$$ to throw away just because some say what we have is obsolete. When your SX becomes obsolete, send it to me. YOU go buy the "latest and greatest" I will have just as much fun on the water with my current OMC as you will in your Volvo. I guarantee it. Also, I suggested he buy an EMPTY hull...so no swapping involved. He simply REMOVES the drive from HIS CURRENT RUNNING boat, and installs it into a NON RUNNING EMPTY hull. The swapping would be his seats, and whatever else he needs / wants to save.

I guess I need to junk both of my 5.0 mustangs because they are "obsolete powertrains". I could replace the car for what it takes to put on a new convertible top on my '89. Time to junk it right? Guess I need to junk my '83 Holiday Rambler travel trailer too. The styling makes it "obsolete". I should just run right out and spend $40k on a new one...that does exactly the same thing my old one does.

I for one am not worried about keeping up with the "Jones's" or in this case the "bruceb58's". If it is working for me, and it's paid for, why get rid of it? I could care less what you or anyone else thinks about my OMC. It moves my boat down the river just fine. The OP's drive is working JUST FINE. Why junk it? The drive set up is usually 60-75% of the cost of a boat anyway. He is ahead of the game by having one that runs, and it in good shape. It's his HULL that has the issue. NOT the "obsolete" OMC. So...like I said. KEEP the drive, and buy a good used cheap empty hull, and be back on the water for less than $1k. I bought my '98 220 Horizon for $300. If I had already had a good drive, good seats, and a good trailer, (all of which the OP apparently has) I could have had that boat on the water for a grand total of $500. But...it would be "obsolete"...so I guess I should go spend $50k+ on a new one instead.
 

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BUB From one poorboy to another I love my OMC.. I Love it.. Runs great.. tough as nails and is in a great boat (FOUR WINNS).. Only paid a grand for it.. whole set up.. Can change a impeller in 10 minutes.. No part problems, other than you have to order everything..
If I had a bad transom with bad rot.. I wouldn't transfer the engine and the drive.. Shoot I can sell most of that stuff or sell the boat and get halfway to bigger and better.. At this point he isn't even sure he has rot or how bad it is.. You will never win the OMC argument with these guys..
 

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hehe...you are right Joshua. Its the same everywhere you go, with whatever you have. SOMEONE always has bigger, better, faster, newer. Counting the two months storage, and having it delivered to my home from 250 miles away, I have $2k in my '90 200H. Think I will keep it for a while. Obsolete or not. Like I said before, all things being equal, I may have bought a nice clunky shifting Merc, but this boat was priced right, and after my experience with Volvo, I will run far and fast from anything that says "Volvo-Penta" on it. We still dont even know what kind of hull the OP has. Is it a Bayliner (just burn it and be done), or a Cobalt or Donzi (fix it...whatever it takes). Personally, I would take the time to swap it out to an empty hull, just because I hate to see good equipment go to waste, and it would not take long or be very costly. But that's just me.

So....what have you decided, OP? Fix or junk?
(if you junk it, just send the entire sterndrive set up to me...apparently no one else in the world will want it anyway) ;)
 

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so I guess I should go spend $50k+ on a new one instead.
I don't remember anyone suggesting that he or anyone else go out and BUY a "new" one.

The suggestion of "junking" the boat is only if it needs a new transom, stringers and floor.

AND I wouldn't be against finding another good hull and swapping over the OMC "junk".

(except where it involves a 460 King Kobra)


It's just that since there's still a demand for all the OMC Cobra "stuff", AND IF the present hull is not worth "repairing", consideration *should* be given to just parting out the OMC engine/drive/components (since they're still worth something)......... and just finding another good older used boat with Mercruiser/Volvo Penta inside.

I actually got $3500 for all the OMC 460 King Cobra "stuff" I removed from my current boat (in my Signature)...........Including the engine, which I only got $150 for!

I sold all the above "stuff" over 2-3 years a little at a time as people discovered what I had. I used Craigslist, people that asked here and Ebay.........I think what I got was maybe the exception instead of the rule though........


I hope you're enjoying yourself "over there";)............. I want to buy a vacation condo in Kirkuk....... I just LOVED that place!!!!:p:p I should have never retired!!!! Now I'll have to PAY to go over there!!!:rolleyes:...........(hmm....I guess I could take a 'hop' though................:facepalm:.maybe I should just take a cold shower......)



Cheers,


Rick
 

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and after my experience with Volvo, I will run far and fast from anything that says "Volvo-Penta" on it.
So your experience with Volvo is that you bought a boat that had a Volvo Penta drive shell and you felt it cost too much too rebuild. That is your total experience and from that you would stay away from it? You basically have NO experience with Volvo so your opinions don't really amount to much do they?

If I was the OP and his hull wasn't worth repairing, I would sell the drive and engine and buy a boat with a working Volvo or Mercruiser. Dollars ahead in the long run. Transferring an engine/drive to another boat is not easy and if he isn't doing it himself, very costly and he will still end up with a boat that he has more invested in it than it is worth.

I have had all the drives, Mercruiser, OMC stringer and Cobra, Volvo 270 and Duoprop. The Volvos were always the most troublefree of all the drives.
 

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you are right. I have very little experience with the Volvo SX. I told you as much earlier. And yes. I felt it cost too much to rebuild. I came to this conclusion after months of searching and researching parts and rebuilders, and consulting more than one technician. The Volvo may very well be the most trouble free. It damn well better be for what it cost to fix it. My point is that you should not discount all others simply because you have the money to toss away what ever is not cool at the moment. Most of us dont. I bought the Volvo set up boat because I had heard that they were in fact the best and most reliable, and the smoothest shifting. But if you see in my thread in the Four Winns section, my entire budget for the 220H was back on the water for $7500 or less. So no, $4-7k for JUST THE OUTDRIVE was too much for me to justify. Since then, when looking at possible future repair / replacement of whatever I bought, I simply did not even consider ANY boat with a Volvo-Penta on it. So...in this case, my opinion is valid. Most of us, you included, have more invested in our boats than it will ever be worth. I do not buy a boat based on what I can resell it for. I buy it for my family's enjoyment. If I can manage to make some money off of it, all the better. My investments do not include ANY motor vehicles. All my classics, hot rods, etc have WAY more in them than I will ever get out of them. But considering I dont plan on selling, who cares?

Yes. swapping the drive could be costly if he pays someone to do it. I based my guess on DIY. If he has to pay to have all of this done, he may in fact be better off buying another used boat, with its own potential hidden issues that may or may not cost him more. IMO, fix what you have, assuming you can do so cost effectively and it is paid for, and avoid going in debt or shelling out thousands more for something that will do the exact same job the equipment you currently own will do.

And yes...I will not own a Volvo outdrive. I personally cannot afford $4k for a rebuilt drive every time something goes wrong, or a log gets loose from the paper mill upstream on the Hiwassee, and I kill an outdrive on it. I could stockpile four OMC outdrives for that money.
 

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My point has everything to do with cost. Not keeping the OMC and putting it in another boat has everything to do with cost. Having a Volvo drive also has everything to do with cost and that is why I own one. In my opinion, the reliability of the Volvo makes it the cheapest drive to have in the long run and is what I have in my boat now. When I went looking for boats, Volvo was the first on my list. rebuilding the Volvo is going to be more expensive than rebuilding the OMC but we already discussed that it isn't much different. Hitting something in a river will be covered by insurance. You do carry insurance on your boat right?

The least expensive car to buy may end up being the most expensive to own in the long run because of repair issues and the same goes for boats.

Take the engine you have mated to your OMC, the 5.8 Ford. Try and find manifolds for that engine in a couple years...good luck! When you do find them, they will be darn expensive. Ask Joshua about his manifold experience with his 4.3 Cobra. His $1K boat didn't cost him $1K after that experience.
 

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I have to admit.. If I went boat shopping today.. Could pick up what ever I want.. It would have a Volvo on it.. Every one of them I have been around was awesome.. What is that Swedish engineering? They are good.. I wouldn't turn my nose up at a mercruiser either but most of those I have delt with.. Was black and didn't wanta work.. Yet I can buy parts at west marine and almost every marine dealer.. The parts being common is nice...
I think the OP should look and see where he is having a hull failure.. Poke around back there. next time on the water look for the leak.. That way you are out boating.. Won't make ya as sad if all goes south.. As fast as he is seeing water and as much.. Should be gravy to find the problem...
 

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We are gonna have to just agree to disagree here. I see your point, and you should see mine as well. In my area, parts for the older stuff is plentiful and cheap because we do not have the salt to deal with. The biggest problem we have is freeze damage to blocks and manifolds. Because of that, there are several local suppliers that carry them in bulk, and cheap. Yes, I carry insurance on my boat, but being a '90 model turning a busted drive into them would likely result in a total loss, and me not getting half of what it would cost to replace it back. And one thing you still seem to miss is that I can replace my OMC for less than $1k. Why pay out a $500 deductible, and risk a total loss when I can pay $750 and get a water ready rebuilt drive? Volvos may be prvalent and relatively inexpensive for you in sunny Cali, but in real world TN, that just ain't the case. Yes, I said ain't.

When / if the time comes to replace my outdrive or manifolds, I will readdress time and budget then, and purchase accordingly. In the mean time, just as with the OP, I see no reason to junk a perfectly good system because of "what-ifs" or "Possibly"s.

And yes, Joshua, I agree. If I could buy a new boat WITH A WARRANTY that would cover repair, I too MAY buy a Volvo unit. Not used though. No way.
 

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I knew I reconized that name... That 220 fell though? That was a pretty boat
 

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I knew I reconized that name... That 220 fell though? That was a pretty boat

yep...$4-7k for an out drive, $2800 for interior, $2k for engine rebuild, plus another $1-2 for various whatnots...blew the budget. IF THE DRIVE HAD NOT BEEN SO EXPENSIVE, (@Bruceb58 ;) ) I would have been able to finish it for the $7500 I had allotted. I think this 200 I have now will be much better. Hope the OP has better luck. I would still like to know what hull he has.
 

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yep...$4-7k for an out drive, $2800 for interior, $2k for engine rebuild, plus another $1-2 for various whatnots...blew the budget. IF THE DRIVE HAD NOT BEEN SO EXPENSIVE, (@Bruceb58 ;) ) I would have been able to finish it for the $7500 I had allotted. I think this 200 I have now will be much better. Hope the OP has better luck. I would still like to know what hull he has.
You learned the number one lesson that a free/cheap boat is not that cheap. That is why you are almost always better off buying a running boat in good condition no matter what drive is in the boat.

Same goes for the OP. He has to decide, at this point, if someone gave him his boat for free, or for what the cost of parting it out is, if its worth fixing it up. More than often with an older boat it isn't.
 

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You learned the number one lesson that a free/cheap boat is not that cheap. That is why you are almost always better off buying a running boat in good condition no matter what drive is in the boat.

You, sir, are so very right. I actually learned that lesson a few years ago when I bought an '84 Invader with that Stringer drive in it. I had never even heard of a Stringer drive before then...I learned quickly. I must have gotten amnesia when I bought that 220, but it was such a nice hull...and for "only" $300! I just went on experience with the OMC Cobra stuff, and thought "well...that Volvo couldn't be too much more expensive to fix..." HA! Like I said, new Volvo...maybe. Used...NOPE.

I hope we haven't run the OP off with this semi-threadjack. I would really like to hear what kind of hull this is, and what he plans to do.
 
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