1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

MaPaHa

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Hi,
I,ve had a 1996 Johnson Fast Strike 175HP motor since it was new on a 189FS Javilin boat without too many problems. Last year I rebuilt the carbs myself and had the oil injection system disconnected at the recommendation of a good boat mechanic so now we mix the oil. Three years ago I replaced the lower unit because it scattered. I've had to replace one or both power trim relays a couple of times and keep one on board as a spare. Other than that, just tune-ups. I have two issues I would like to ask about:

#1 In the last couple of years it has developped a slight external water leak (drip) in several places around the head on both sides of the engine. Early on it would seal up after it warmed up but not any more. I've read many of the posts here about year models and hopefully mine is after the earlier 90's that seem to have problems with internal water leaks and cracked blocks. My question is: can I remove the heads and replace the gaskets without pulling the powerhead or getting into the engine? (I've rebuilt a dozen or so car and truck engines over the years)

#2 Last year (the last time out) the motor would start and idle fine but would die when you put it in gear. I took it out today and it ran great except it had a surge at 4,000-5,000 RPM at times, but cleared up after running. I'm wondering if the SLOW system would do that or possibly water from the leak got on the power pack. There has been one or more times when it did not start at all. It seems that the power pack is a common problem. I went by the tests last year on the stator and other ignition parts as recommended by the manual (I cant remember all of them right now). Is it time to replace the power pack?

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

Do you have the OEM Factory Manual for it ??
 

MaPaHa

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

Do you have the OEM Factory Manual for it ??

I've got a manual for 2-40 Hp for an older 40 Johnson, and a 88-115 / 150-175 manual for an older 140 Evinrude that I've got on a party barge but it does'nt have much in the engine section for the V-6 engines. Mostly the V-4 cylinders.

I've looked up most of the tests on line for the ignition. Is there a good manual you would recommend that can be bought PDF on line?

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

there is no head gasket for that motor. the head is metal to metal fit, with a larger dia O-ring aound each cylinder hole. the water passages are sealed with liguid gasket material, like indian head, or permatex, ect... you probably only need to remove the heads, clean up the surfaces, and reapply selant around the water passages, and install three new o-rings per head.....very easy.

as for the other issue...it seems pretty vague at this point...could be a number of things...getting the right factory manuals lets you follow sound checks to help you trouble shoot your issue..but keep in mind some electrical issues require some specialized electronic test devices for that style motor!! the surge seems like it is a gas line delivery issue....

you might want to clean out the gas tank...check and or run new gas lines... and recheck all connections, where air could get in...also make sure the gas tank is vented sufficiently.

bob
 

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

there is no head gasket for that motor. the head is metal to metal fit, with a larger dia O-ring aound each cylinder hole. the water passages are sealed with liguid gasket material, like indian head, or permatex, ect... you probably only need to remove the heads, clean up the surfaces, and reapply selant around the water passages, and install three new o-rings per head.....very easy.

as for the other issue...it seems pretty vague at this point...could be a number of things...getting the right factory manuals lets you follow sound checks to help you trouble shoot your issue..but keep in mind some electrical issues require some specialized electronic test devices for that style motor!! the surge seems like it is a gas line delivery issue....

you might want to clean out the gas tank...check and or run new gas lines... and recheck all connections, where air could get in...also make sure the gas tank is vented sufficiently.

bob


Thanks for the info on the heads. It sounds like that will be relatively easy to do so I'll start by getting the water leaks fixed. It doesn't sound like this is a problem with water getting into the engine.

Yes, I realize there's not a lot of Info on the no-starting issue and when it would only idle. It happened to my son and I wasn't there so I was trying to find out common and probable problems with the ignition system. It doesn't sound like the SLOW system was the problem because he couldn't even get it in gear without dying. It was last year but I remember going by the test procedures for the OIS ignition system that I found from CDI. I did not have the DVA adaptor but one of my digital meters had true RMS. I'm not sure it's exactly the same so I should probably get an adaptor? I also tested the reverse switch that kills fire to one side of the engine in reverse and it works fine. I'm not one to throw parts at something for no cause but when you can't find the problem with known tests and you can't get the problem to replicate itself it makes it difficult. I've read many posts about the ignition module acting up at random and often times replaced by a reputable dealer so I'm thinking about changing it just because.

If anyone else has had similar problems with the OIS system with random problems and a fix for it I would like to hear about it.

Thanks, Mark
 

MaPaHa

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

I've got the heads off and have the new O-rings ready to install. Is there a substitute for the OMC gasket material that is used to seal around the head and water jacket on this motor because I can't find the OMC sealer locally.
 
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MaPaHa

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Re: 1996 175 Fast Strike leaking water around head

Any tricks to get the heads to seal using gasket material? I've seen some of the comments that say do not use silicon and then others say it's ok to use on these heads to seal the water passages. Also, how much should be applied? I've never had too much luck with metal to metal cases with just silicon. Thanks for any tips.
 
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