2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Raymondpb

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Ok, here is the back story; 1987 Sea Ray with 2.3L OMC Cobra.

Observations; Starts fine, idles well in neutral dockside. Underway at an idle there is a small, almost unnoticeable at first, misfire or stumble that occurs randomly. The severity of it grows the longer the engine is running but does not grow to the point I start to wonder if paddles are still stowed in the bilge compartment or the tow rope is still under the seat (we have kids around here so?you understand:)) for at least 30-40 minutes. When I cob on the power to make the wind blow through the little miss?s hair, the power delivery is also random. If I try to plane out shortly after leaving dockside she pops out of the water like she?s on a mission. If after some time of operation (slow or fast) I try to cob on the power the misfire or stumble is exaggerated and power is so low that I can hardly plane her out without putting ballast in the nose (yep trimmed all the way down). This situation seems to get worse with time during a cruise but is alleviated somewhat if I let the boat sit for a while like while swimming at the sandbar.

Gas is confirmed good. Carb rebuilt last week, float settings double checked. Have found no vacuum leaks. Points are clean and gapped correctly. Cap and rotor inspected with no findings. Timing is on spec. Plugs are clean but appear leaner than I care to see them. Plug wires are new within 18 months / 20 operational hours. I even disconnected the ESA switch to see if it was intermittently causing this issue but the same indications are present. ESA switch has since been reconnected. Vacuum and compression checks on the list of things to do.

So at this point are you thinking a fuel related problem related to heat build up? Ok, I can follow that idea for a minute but the cooling system on this thing is phenomenal. It runs to the cool side under light loading, 140 and 170 when run hard as read on the dash mounted temperature indicator. I believe these indications because when the engine cowling is removed the engine is cooler to the touch than the V8 in my 68 GTO. This takes the vapor lock scenario off the plate for me.

Ok, here is what I am thinking but I don?t know how to confirm or deny it. I think the power valve in the carb is somehow not actuating. This problem started to show itself last year and I was all over the carb as a root cause so we cleaned and rebuilt it. The only thing I did not do was remove the power valve because it is ?staked? into the carb housing and I was not sure how to remove the staking without?causing damage.

I do have, thanks to other iboat forum members, a theory that is starting to evolve around a water leak that is somehow getting into the combustion chamber?ok, no I am not smoking crack, I just have this idea: Is there any merit to it? Oil is clean but quantity is on the high side. Read something about that some where; should I draw the excess out?

What are your thoughts?
Raymond
 

Raymondpb

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Update:

Compression is 120 across the board.

Vacuum is intermittently steady at an idle around 17? but then wonders from time to time +- 1 inch. When the throttle if moved from idle to WOT back to idle momentarily under no load, the needle drops to 2? then jumps to 20? that comes back to 17?

Correction; Timing is not on spec of 10 deg BTDC. It is set at a wandering 18-24 deg BTDC. I can?t seem to get it to run at the spec. In order to get it to run at 10 deg I have to jack up the idle speed above 1000 and the vacuum gauge moves to 15? Hum???? Is the wander due to a distributor going bad?is my root cause a distributor going bad? Can anyone confirm 10 deg is the spec and not a typo in my manual?

Motor will not run / stay running at anything below 800 RPM in neutral as read on the dash mounted tach.
 

byrontony

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

The vacuum dropping when you go to wot sounds normal, the timing jumping around does not though.
 

Raymondpb

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

The vacuum dropping when you go to wot sounds normal, the timing jumping around does not though.

Agreed. I am struggling for my next course of action.
 

byrontony

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Have you checked the springs for your mechanical advance? I'm thinking perhaps one is broke causing your erratic timing.
 

Raymondpb

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Yes, I mean no I have not and yes, I was thinking the same thing as it could apply to the wandering timing but?as far as the misfire and its progressiveness?? I am still lost. I will be doing a fuel pump test and possibly I am wondering if there may be some run out in the distributor shaft. Off to a race this weekend; will check later next week and report back.
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Howdy,


You might have a good look at the dist centrifugal advance mechanism. It may be advancing but might be sticking a little coming back.....They do get rusty inside.......
 

svvaulter06

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

sounds like a similar problem im trying to fix and my problem was that i had a flat cam lobe on cylinder #1 intake. mine was not able to idle below 800rpm and misfired every once and awhile....and had planing issues as well...check your camshaft
 

tommy54

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Was the erratic timing ever resolved? I've got a 2.3 doing the same thing. I'm hoping that it's not a flattened out cam lobe.
 

Raymondpb

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Re: 2.3L OMC Cobra random but progressive missfire

Ok, I feel like a bonehead. Changed the points out with a new set and volia...all is good. I was trying to poor boy it and clean and set. No joy. Won't go there again.

Let me say that I don't get e-mail notifactoins from this forum as I thought I had set up. I have changed it and changed it back but still dont' get notificatoins when threads I subsribe to have new content.
 
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