200 efi oil injection

nina

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Hello everybody. I've recently bought a 1996 Champion bassboat with a 200 Mariner EFI. The boat has only been in the water 15 times, so the engine is fairly new. I've looked over the motor pretty well and just have a few statements about this engine I would like to elaborate on.<br />1. No warning if oil pump is not putting out ENOUGH oil. WHY IS THAT? According to the Clymer manual there are only three times when BEEP, BEEP, BEEP....... will sound.<br /> - When sensor senses that the plastic oil gear is chewed off crankshaft, resulting in no oil pump discharge. That is a good warning.<br /> - When the fuel /water seperator needs to be serviced. That is a good warning.<br /> - When oil capacity is low in oil tanks.<br /> That too is a good warning.<br /><br />NO WARNING IF OIL PUMP IS NOT PUTTING OUT ENOUGH OIL. (SCAAAAARRRRRRRRY)<br /> I would assume the only warning I would have is Temperature (Solid Beep) because motor would overheat without proper oil CC's output.<br /><br />I went and bought CC's measuring container and performed output test. (3 minutes @ 1500 rpms) Manual says 200 EFI should put out 7.4-9ccs but mine only puts out 5 ccs. I did the test 5 times and got the same results every time. The oil pump arm is lined up exactly with mark on the pump itself and sync and linc is correct. I performed the same test on my buddys' Mercury 150 EFI and got same results (5ccs.) The manual says for a 150 EFI it should put out 6.1-7.5ccs. This output test is on page 746 in the Clymer manual. Well after performing this test I adjusted the pump arm where it pumps just a little over 6ccs. The mark on the arm is just barely below the mark on the pump itself. Performed the test several times and got the same results (6ccs). This is what I mean about NO Warning if oil output is low. <br /> _ Now I have a question about oil dischage bleeding. The line from oil pump to the Vapor Seperator Tank (VST). The manual says to IDLE motor and unhook the oil arm and manually turn pump arm to the wide open position to give it more oil(Which would be at a 50/1 ratio) to speed up the bleeding process. I can see the oil pumping into the discharge line but it doesn't seem to be filling the line all the way up with oil. I would say that 3/4 of the line is filled with oil but that is all it will fill it up with. The oil is still pumping good but just will not fill the last 1/4 up. There is about a 2" empty space below the oil pump and the rest of the line is filled with oil. I know that it is getting oil because of all the smoke. It is idling at 800 rpms. The question I have: Is this normal or should the whole discharge line be full of oil.
 

WillyBWright

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Re: 200 efi oil injection

The thing I didn't see in your post is whether or not you moved the metering lever to it's full throttle setting during your output testing. Those are variable rate pumps, pumping less at low speed than high. You can get full flow by disconnecting the link rod allowing the spring to move the lever to full volume, or by simply putting the throttle in Full while testing.<br /><br />I've seen air in that line. Sometimes I pop an end off and fill it with oil. But it's just an air bubble that probably stays toward the top. Oil still gets past it.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 200 efi oil injection

helo<br /> you dont have a flow alarm of any type<br /> the pump has a rotation sensor that feeds a signal to the alarm module, the engine tank cap has a switch that feeds a signal to the alarm module. the over heat switch on the stbd head feeds a signal to the alarm module. the module has a ground a 12v purple and a green from the switchbox to tell the module if the engine is running or not. the horn will self test when the key is turned on. the following are some causes of an oil alarm. bad tank switch or the tank is low, bad rotation sensor or the oil pump drive shaft isnt turning or a bad module, or a failing switch box or stator. but that motor has no flow alarms.<br />most boat tachs are not accurate enough to do the oil output test at low speeds. like willy said its a variable ratio pump that is crank driven. if it makes ya feel warm and fuzzy adjust it to the output. wont hurt anything.
 

nina

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Re: 200 efi oil injection

Hey Willy. Just got back home from work and read your reply. Thanks for the input from both you and rodbolt.<br />I will just write what the CLYMER manual says about the output testing.<br /> Connect an accurate shop tachometer to the engine following its manufactures instructions.<br /> - Insert the disconnected end of the oil pump discharge line into the graduated container.<br /> - Start the motor and run at 1500 rpm for exactly 3 minutes.<br /> -Stop the engine and check the quantity of oil in the graduated container. Oil pump output should be 7.4-9cc.<br /> - If the injection pump output is less than specified, replace the pump assembly as described in this chapter.<br /><br /> This next test is what I think you are referring to Willy. This test was the second test that Clymer says to perform:<br /> - Empty the container. Disconnect the linkage rod from the injection pump control lever. Rotate the control lever to the wide-open throttle position, then repeat the steps of 3 minutes at 1500 rpms.<br /> - Stop the engine and again check quantity of oil in graduated cylinder. Oil output should now be 17.3-21.1cc.<br /> - If injection pump output is less than specified, replace the pump assembly as described in this chapter.<br /><br />I don't have a problem with the latter test but the initial test before unhooking the lever arm is what I am concerned with. Sorry I didn't state it in my original post about the latter testing I performed on my motor.<br /><br />I am releived about what rodbolt said about the air in the line and should not be too concerned with it. I know it is getting oil though, just concerned that I was not able to get that air out of line. Thanks again for your help and if anybody else has any input I would greatly appreciate the info.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 200 efi oil injection

hello<br /> I looked in my service manualand there are two different capacity oil pumps. on for the 135-175 and one for the 200. check the part number on the pump arm against the parts manual. someone may have changed it someplace. I got about the same CC numbers in the merc manual.
 

kchunn

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Re: 200 efi oil injection

I just read the above post about the alignment of the link rod and the casting mark. I went out and checked mine and the two alignment marks are off by about 1/16 of an inch. It's a 1991 Mariner 175. It's probably been this way for years. I wonder if this could be just slop in the linkage due to motor being 14 years old? If I wanted to adjust it, does that oil pump link rod just snap off at the ball joint? <br /> Thanks,<br /> Kenny
 
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