2001 4.3 has rough idle and water in the oil.

cliffblue

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I have looked through the forum and can't find a problem exactly like mine. This is my first post. I will try to be concise. 2001 Tracker Party Deck with a 4.3, 2 barrel, alpha one. Engine # OM060235. Bought it in Feb. this year. Ran great, idled very smooth with strong acceleration. Had the out drive serviced and checked. Mechanic said that the engine was not the original, but it all looked fine. The only issue at that time was that the oil looked fine on the dip stick but it was actually sludge when drained. Worst I have ever seen. I changed the oil and filter three times with a half hour run on the lake in between. Also changed the fuel filter and cleaned the intake flame arrester. Been to the lake for 2-3 hours a half dozen times since, then it started idling rough. It bogs a little on takeoff, but runs at speed as good as before. I have to nurse it to keep it running till it warms up, but the idle stays rough. I have been out twice with the rough idle which remains consistent. Pulled plug wires one at a time while it was idling and not one on the starboard bank had a noticeable affect. Pulled the port bank and every one had a noticeable effect. Pulled the plugs and noticed they were the 100,000 mile type gaped at around 0.060". Ran a compression check. I had one 190 psi and one 170 psi and the other four were around 180. Installed the correct AC plugs gaped 0.045" and she idled just as rough. I changed the oil again and it still looks like a chocolate milkshake. Poured up a quart glass jar that shows no evidence of water 3 days later. Oil pressure is 35-40 at idle and 55-60 wot. I can't be sure, but the exhaust may be louder when on the hose now than before the idle got rough. What now? Will the exhaust manifold fail inside while not leaking outside and cause this? Maybe one side of the carb idle circuit? Cap and rotor? I hate to be a parts changer if someone can give me a lead. Sorry for the long post, but I tried to cover everything. Thanks, Cliff, P.S. Great Forum
 
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You have an exhaust manifold leaking or a head casket! Can you do a leak down test? That would eliminate the head and/or identify a crack in a cylinder wall.
 

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You can still have good compression with water infiltration.A milkshake is a milkshake and you have water and oil mixing. This can come from the coolant port to the oil and not affect compression as the cylinder is still intact. Every plug disconnected should make a difference. Rough idle is a sure sign of gaskets not sealing. The motor can still achieve wot and have the water leak into the oil. FIX IT NOW before you need a whole new engine. Good compression means you may still be ok. You might get away with pulling the heads and finding the leak which will be very evident surface the heads and reinstall.
 

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Thanks for the opinions. Not the easy fix I was hoping for. Guess the guy I bought it from had the last laugh. Over all, the rest of the boat is in pretty good shape and the family really enjoys it. I have got to make one more run on the Fourth then I'll pull it down. If I don't find an obvious gasket issue then I'll send the heads in to be checked? For my information, how long does it take for the water to separate from the oil in the jar? It still hasn't. I used Quicksilver 25-40 with a K&N oil filter. Thanks again. Cliff
 

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It never will. Once it's combined, the true H2O will evaporate but minerals & lime from the lake/river will stay behind. Turns into milky sludge.
 

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I'd have the heads checked anyway. Sometimes it's hard to see cracks. Your risking everything by going out knowing there's a problem. It's one thing if you are stuck with a buddy...Another with your family.
 

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Well, made it through the Forth without any more problems. Thanks, I will.
 

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Ok, it is a vortec, 4 bolts per side on the intake. Is this a good thing? Local machine shop says that his computer shows a listing for a marine gasket set, but doesn't see one available. What is the difference between a standard and marine gasket set? Any other info will be appreciated. Thanks, Cliff
 

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GO, Fel-Pro!
 

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I need to know if this engine has a balance shaft. The price difference for a gasket set without is nearly twice what one for an engine with a balance shaft is. Can I tell by looking at it before teardown?
 

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I need to know if this engine has a balance shaft. The price difference for a gasket set without is nearly twice what one for an engine with a balance shaft is. Can I tell by looking at it before teardown?

Ayuh,... I believe the balance shaft came into being in 92 or 94...
Yer's is Much newer, post 96...
 

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It's been so hot outside after work, I haven't messed with this until today. I pulled the cast iron one piece exhaust manifolds off and propped them up. Filled them each from the fitting on the bottom and watched as water flowed up and over the hump and out. There were no signs of water entering the exhaust sides. The flappers are 2 sided with one opening inwards and one opening out. The starboard side is missing the out going flap. When I ran it on muffs, both sides seemed to flow out evenly. Don't know if this is a problem. I removed the thermostat housing and plugged the hole with a rubber freeze plug. Using fittings from home depot, a ball valve and a pressure gauge, I pressured up the water jacket at the hose going to the circulating water pump to 15psi. I couldn't hear a leak anywhere, but my hearing is not that good. I'm doing a leak-down test as I post this. I will check it in a while. What is the max psi I can go to with this test? Any more ideas are appreciated. Thanks, Cliff
 

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I'm new to the boat engines but if your 4.3 is a GM block and intake manifold I believe they have the same problem as the 5.7 which is the intake manifold gaskets failing. Like Pete says Fel-Pro has the intake gaskets (buy the highest quality ones) that correct the GM gaskets problems. Its on they way to the heads anyways. HOT is an understatement. Good Luck
 

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This morning, it had leaked down to 10 psi. I think I had a leak at the adapter for the hose going to the pump. I tightened the clamp a little and rechecked with soapy spray, not leaking. I pressured up to 20-21 psi this time. I removed the exhaust bellows/coupler and attempted to pull the flapper half that was left out so I might try to fish out the missing flap. I couldn't move it. Before I get too rowdy trying to get it out, does anybody have suggestions?
 

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7 hours later and the water jacket is still holding 20-21 psi. I drained the oil cold just now to check for water. This oil has 3-4 hours running and had no sign of water. As I said in the first post, the first oil change I did after I bought this bought boat looked like sludge. I wonder if the next to last oil change was the final evidence of the condition the oil was in at that time. I removed the damaged shutter and tried to fish down the pipe to find the lost piece. Didn't find anything. These shutters/flappers flex from the center shaft. Each side looks identical. Shouldn't both sides be opening to allow water and exhaust exit the manifold and close against water trying to flow back up toward the engine. Mine had one side opening in and one opening out. I believe they were installed wrong. Should I start another thread since it looks like I have a rough idle and shutter/flapper problem?
 

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Here's where I've ended up. I believe that the "chocolate milkshake" was the result of who knows how long it had been since the oil had been changed before I bought it. I acetone tested the one piece exhaust manifolds with no evidence of leaks. I know they need upgraded, but finances dictate waiting till after this boating season. I would appreciate any tips on where to get the best deal on the upgrade kit. I replaced incorrectly installed damaged shutters and overhauled the carburetor to find grains of corrosion in the right idle jet. Reinstalled the carb yesterday and tuned on the muffs. Taking it to the lake tomorrow to finish dial in.
 

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Re: 2001 4.3 has rough idle and water in the oil.

Ran Great! Can you believe that because of low lake levels due to this unbelievable drought, I knocked a chunk out of my skeg!
 
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