25 Evinrude SMOKIN !!

goblerblaster

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I just bought a 1997 Evinrude 25 HP that had been in storage for 12 years. It starts easy and runs good with just a lil miss at WOT. I have run 2 1/2 gallons of gas thru it with Stabil Marine and the miss is goin away. However, it is smoking really bad at idle or in gear - forward or reverse - when going slow.. I mean really blue smoke and a lot of it. Compression was 123/125 on the 2 cylinders. It has a new impellor and lower unit seal kit and is not leaking LU oil. Plugs look a little oily but not too bad.

Any suggestions on how to stop the volumes of blue smoke?
 

F_R

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Well, I count 60 models of 1997 25hp motors. Let's start with a model number so we know what we are working on.
 

goblerblaster

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Well, the sticker is so faded that I can't read it, but it is a 2 stroke, manual start, long shaft, tiller steer, 1997 Evinrude. I have put new premium non-ethanol gas in it and it is still smoking like a freight train... but it runs good with just a little hesitation occasionally at WOT or a little less. I mixed the gas at 50/1 oil ratio which I assumed would be correct. The plugs show some oil even after running for an hour. It idles fine, but puts out a blue fog when idling on muffs in the back yard. Looks like a mesquito fogger just came through the yard !! I have not done anything to the carb, but am considering a rebuild. It looks like it is running too rich, but the only adjustment I can see is the low speed idle. I have monkeyed with that but the smoking issue does not changed.

Any suggestions will be very much appreciated !@!@
 

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Does it have oil injection or pre-mix? Or maybe oil injection and you are using pre-mix also? Just thinking out loud now.
 

goblerblaster

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It is not oil injected. I ran about 2 1/2 gallons of gas thru it that I had added a heavy dose of Marine Stabil to. I then premixed at 50/1 ratio the new premium non-ethanol gas and 2 stroke TCW 3 oil. It is still smoking just as bad as on the first tank and I have run it around the lake for nearly an hour. If it was a 4 stroke, I woulkd say it had a broken oil ring or a hole in the piston. But this has good compression- so I assume the cause is not a broken ring.

By the way, this smoke is very noticeably blue in color. When the motor is idling in the lake in forward gear, I can look behind the boat and see the blue smoke coming out of the water in the boat wake, so I assume it is coming out of the under water exhaust as well as the back of the motor where the water comes out. Not so much the TellTale but the larger exhaust port on the very back of the engine.
 

jakedaawg

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Some oils smoke a lot more than others....Some are really just watery junk.

If it was intended to be stored for a long time someone may have really, really fogged it. After time that gets into the exhaust and can take a while to burn out especially on those little ones cause they dont run too hot.

If your not overheating I would suggest mixing up some fresh 50:1 and leave that stabile stuff out. Buy a pint of Evinrude XD-50 to use as the mix. Take it for a lap or two. If still smoking way too much, then....May require more thought then.

You might want to check, I believe there is a puddle drain hose on those. Could be split. It is small diameter hose behind the throttle plates on the manifold.
 

jakedaawg

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By the way, A lot of engines also have the model number stamped on a plug on top of crankcase. Its usually silver and about the size of a half dollar. Also, sometimes taking a picture from different angles of the sticker can sometimes reveal the faded numbers.
 

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Gotta say this, it is SUPPOSED to smoke. But then the question becomes what is normal. But let's get some things out of the way. It is NOT a four stroke, so comparing the two is unreasonable. Four strokes use their oil over and over and over again, while two-strokes use their oil only once, then either burn or discharge it into the lake. Two strokes have no oil control rings, because they don't have to retain their oil. So forget that. Same thing goes for rings. Rings in a two stroke are for compression only, and have nothing to do with oil useage

The main things that affect two-stroke smoking are engine and exhaust temperature, speed, and fuel/air ratio (carburetor mixtures). And the oil itself. Lousy oil might smoke more because it is burning up in the cylinders instead of remaining long enough to lubricate the pistons throughout the whole stroke. The perfect oil (as far as smoke is concerned) wouldn't burn at all, but would go out the exhaust into the water, then people would complain about that.

I suggest you use 100% synthetic TC-W3 outboard oil in the correct ratio and leave the additives in the store (my opinion). That's all I have used for years now. The synthetic oil makes less oil slick on the water, and dissipates faster. And smokes considerably less. Most importantly, what makes it out into the water is bio-degradeable.

So, bottom line is make sure the motor is properly tuned, is running the right temperature, and correct fuel mix. If everything is a-ok, look forward and not back at the smoke. Either way, somebody else is bound to complain about it. Deal with those people however you can. The part about bio-degradeable is a good place to start.
 

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I talked to a retired outboard mechanic today and he advised the same on synthetic oil. Also suggested to check the fuel pump.. When I did, I found an orifice that was completely clogged. I drilled it out and am in the process of putting the fuel pump together but it got dark on my old eyes !! He also suggested that the thermostat may be wide open and that it may be running cool thereby increasing oil /gas consumption. Since it is 99 degrees here with a heat index of 105 in Arkansas- I can't imagine that it is running too cool. I will put the fuel pump back together tomorrow and give an update. I cleaned out the carb today and found nothing clogged or gummed up. Motor still starts easy and idles good, just SMOKES to high heaven !! Thanks for all the suggestions...
 

goblerblaster

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OK Im trying to put the fuel pump back together and can't figure out the order of the gaskets. Anybody got a picture or can tell me the order that the gaskets and springs go back in the correct order ?????
 

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google..leeroy's ramblings..OMC outboard related articles...Post #29 - Rebuilding the OMC Post 1987 Fuel Pump...btw does your motor use a primer for cold starts?..
 

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Me thinks that it is possible that the motor is running on one cyl.
That puts the focus on ignition. Plugs first, wires, coils etc...
 

Tim Frank

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I've seen some very "creative" interpretations of a 50:1 gas / oil mixture.
You have ignored that question twice, but it would be the most simple explanation if there was too much oil.
 
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