30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

wespants

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Ok, here's the situation. I overnight often in my 22' walkaround at a marina where shore power is available. I can open the hatch and part of the door and stay cool most nights, but sometimes I need an AC fan. Also, sometimes I like to use a laptop that if the battery dies requires an AC adapter.<br /><br />I know the correct thing to do (thanks to posts I found here) is to install a shore power cord with a plug on the boat, to a 30amp breaker, to smaller breakers then to a GFI outlet. Also, a galvanic isolator should be between the AC and 12V boat ground. I know this is the "correct" option for shore power. However, I don't require it that often, not to mention at the present time I am on a tight budget. So I was looking and saw that Hubbel makes this nifty little adapter that has a twist lock 30A plug that leads into a 15A GFI, then out to a 120/125V straight blade pigtail receptacle. The GFI is in a neat waterproof-looking package.<br /><br />This little unit cost 70 dollars, but that's half the cost of an isolator alone. So is this a good, and SAFE, option for me??? Any opions would be greatly appreciated!!!
 

18rabbit

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Re: 30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

Here’s the big scary, if for some reason something goes wrong and unlimited AC is allowed to flow out the end of your extension cord, thru you, and into the water, you’re dead. You want something in there to stop the flow if too many amps show up for the party. That’s the job of the circuit breaker, so you want that as close as possible to the power source on the dock, to stop the current as far away from you as possible. On the other hand, GFCI senses the absence of a returning current (ground) and immediately freaks out, stopping the flow of all current. You want that as close to you and your appliance as possible, on the end of your extension cord in your boat.<br /><br />You should be able to figure it out from there.<br /><br />By keeping the ac power limited, from shore to your laptop or portable air conditioner you aren’t creating a path for stray dc current so you don’t have a need for a galvanic isolator. If you do install a real shore power outlet and all the goodies on your boat, the easiest way to install the isolator is in series within the ac grounding (green wire). You don’t have to tie it into the dc circuit at all.
 

rwidman

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Re: 30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

18rabbit says it well, I agree.
 

wespants

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Re: 30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

Thanks for the info. It's good to hear I don't need to worry about the isolator. What if I were to do this: <br /><br />Let the 15A GFI on the shore end act as a "breaker" and then run through a GFI power strip on the end inside my boat. Would that work? Would the 15A in line GFI on the shore end act like a 15A breaker?<br /><br />Thanks again!
 

jollymon

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Re: 30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

I had the same needs and concerns. I have pontoon boat, that I often sleep on for the weekend, and the fan makes it alot nicer in the summer.<br /><br />I bought just the hubbel twist lock connector, and a "Shock Buster Duplex GFI Outlet" from Lowes.<br /><br />I cut the plug off of the Shock Buster Duplex GFI Outlet and replaced it with the hubbel twist lock connector. It has worked fine. <br /><br />The Shock Buster Duplex GFI Outlet has both a GFIand 15amp breaker in it. I only run a fan and maybe a small TV on it. <br /><br />The two draw backs to this approach are:<br /><br />Between the shore power outlet and the breaker on the Shock Buster Duplex GFI Outlet, you have a wire that is rated for 15amps, on a 30amp circuit. <br /><br />The ground on some shore power outlets will not trip a GFI outlet, when grounded out. (Bad Ground) But that should be fixed reguardless of how you connect to it!
 

beniam

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Re: 30A twistlock to 120/125V straight blade GFI adapter - safe? Comments?

A GFI will trip when you ground some live current through other than the white wire(say you to ground) saving you from more than a millimoment of hot electricity. A breaker trips if you exceed the amps(say 15), so you do not turn a small wire into a resistor wire (read heating coil). <br />Using 30 amp power on a 15 amp (say 14 gauge, or worse 16 gauge cord on a small appliance will possibly turn a short into a really hot wire and burn your boat and you into a crisp. This would be really depressing. <br />Need 15 amp fuse (max current), next GFI so the 115 volt wont stop your heart when you accidentally ground. Batavier
 
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