4 hp johnson

jwsimmons

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I bought an older 4 hp johnson (think about a 1970) from a garage sale the other day for $30. It looks like it's never even been used but the pull start won't coil. Does anyone know how to fix it? <br /> model # 4r73 c<br /> serial # E3724874<br /> <br /> Thank you
 

OBJ

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Hey JW....you got a 73' there.<br /><br />Recoil starter....either the rope has come lose or the spring has busted in the cup.....been a while since I did one of these. Best thing to do is pull the whole recoil starter from the engine and open it up.....hey...don't worry...brain surgery ain't a pre-requiste here. Just watch how you take it apart and put it back together the same way. Once it's back on the engine, take a couple turns on the around the pulley with the rope to increase the tension a little and put the rope through the hole in the engine pan. Just keep enough tension on the spring to return the rope handle to the pan. Should pull and return smoothly.<br /><br />Now if you want a reprint of the service manual, Google up Ken Cook Co., marine.com or theoutboard wizard. You can get reprints from them. Might be a good thing if you want to put the old girl back on the water.
 

jwsimmons

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Re: 4 hp johnson

got it running no problem, You were right, it would take an idiot to mess the pull start up. I got myself a $30 motor!
 

Burke_GA

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Not a reply, but a related question.<br /><br />Your post caught my eye as have just spent all afternoon on a similar age 2R73 my 10 year old just inherited from his deceased grandad. First order of day was getting the recoil starter going as it had spring hanging outside the starter. That went OK, but after complete pulldowns of just about everything else couldn't get him to fire.<br /><br />Have looked on that manuals site and seen they have all for this motor, but will take a while to get to Australia.<br /><br />Is there anywhere i could get basic info online fast EG is a 90 PSI/600 KPA OK for compression reading (I can only relate to modern 2 stroke bikes on whcih i see much higher readings)? What is the basic position for the Slow amd High Speed Mixture Screws (10 year old "twiddled" them before i had a change to seat them myself)?<br /><br />What is the normal starting procedure and fuel mixture (all obliterated off the labels by the looks)?<br /><br />Any suggestions / experience (seeing you got yours going) gratefully accepted.<br /><br />Greg Burke<br />Brisbane, Australia
 

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G'day Greg and welcome to iboats. Usually you should start a new thread but since your problem could help JW, we'll help out here.<br /><br />Greg, your engine has one set of points and a charge coil. If you have no spark, pop the flywheel and take a look at the coil and points. If the coil is cracked, replace it. I would be a good idea to replace the points and condenser in any event.<br /><br />If the engine has set a while with out maint., get a carb kit and clean and rebuild the carb. Needle settings are simple, from gently seated, back the needles out 3/4 turn. This should get it started. Set the high speed needle first then the low speed.<br /><br />And do check the fuel tank for crude. The tanks can be a pain to remove but making sure the are clean and the suction strainer is clean is essential.<br /><br />If you have any questions, don't hesitate to post.<br /><br />EDIT: Forgot....compression...If you got 90psi on both cylinders, that's good. 90 and higher is considered to be good. What's more important is that both cylinders are within 10 to 15% of each other compression wise.
 

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OBJ,<br /><br />Thanks for welcome and reply. Sure i have more questions.<br /><br />It is a single cylinder tho. To fill in, it had spark (will look at suggested points/condenser replacemtn), fuel tank was a real mess with rust caked all over internals, internal tap filter screen clogged and inline filter blocked. Downstream, carb was full of rubbish in bowl, reed valve bit dirty as well (this thing appears to have no intake air filtering at all in front of the carb... is that correct and normal??) gaskets are all pretty bad (except for head which was OK) so have made do. Water channels in the head were pretty corroded which reminds of other important query...is there any water tell-tale stream to know if the cooling system is flowing??? <br /><br />Also what timing alignment marks am i looking for?<br /><br />And again, what should the mixture be?<br /><br />What is your recommended starting technique? With choke? Low speed mixture screw as advised above etc? We have about 22 degrees C here while i'm trying to play with this which is about 67 in your "money". <br /><br />Thanks again.
 

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Looks like you've been busy Greg.... :)<br /><br />Fuel mix is 50:1 which equates to (in large numbers) 16oz oil to 6 gal of gas.<br /><br />Look on the back of the midsection. You should find some tiny holes....these will have some misty water coming out while the engine runs and if the water pump is working. There is no other tell tale on the engine.<br /><br />There are no timing marks. This is preset by the cam which opens and closes the points.<br /><br />One item to look at, the cam follower. It's mounted on the carb and rides along the cam just under the flywheel. On the cam is a hash mark. When the throttle just starts to open, the hash mark should be at the leading edge of the cam follower. If not, losen the bolts on the cam and move it until the correct position is achieved. This adjustment gets the timing and throttle opening in sync.<br /><br />Set the needles as I have indicated. Pull the choke out and set the spark advance lever to start or a little above. Give the engine a few pulls and see if she grumbles. If she does, close the choke and give another pull. If every thing is good, she should start. You may have to fiddle with the needles a little to get her going. Avoid large adjustments on the needles and be sure the packing followers are snug around the needles.<br /><br />And....be sure you have water over the pump before starting. A trash can full of water usually suffices for these smaller engines.
 

Burke_GA

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OBJ,<br /><br />Thanks for info, particularly about "misty water". If i'd only seen that coming out without your heads up i would already have the lower leg apart looking for water pump problems.<br /><br />Pulled it all down again today (had to fix some missing and some sheared bolts). Checked electrics even though we had good spark in case there was a timing problem from shaft key issues etc. All was good and fixed timing like you said. The cam follower (you mentioned) on the throttle butterfly is noticibly worn and I couldn't see the hash mark on the cam (its all pretty rusted) but suspect i need to look further at this later to get the timing/throttle sync closer.<br /><br />All back together with your 3/4 turn backout of needles (i'd guessed at 1 turn the other day). Still couldn't get him to go. Eventually got to fire up on half open choke butterfly. Move it a smigeon either side and it died. Twiddling the low speed mixture screw made no difference, but eventually moved to twiddling the high speed one a 1/4 turn and that fixed the low speed problem. Ran it at WOT for around 20 minutes and never missed a beat.<br /><br />Where's the best place to see doco on the mixture screw setup process? Owners manual or Workshop manual? Obviously need to understand it better.<br /><br />10 year old now has enough oomph to start it OK so he is happy.<br /><br />Thanks again for all you suggestions.
 

Paul Moir

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I hope OBJ doesn't mind me steping in here, but the best description on how to set those mixture screws I've ever seen is by Joe Reeves:<br />Click here.<br />Since you say that the low speed mixture control doesn't seem to do anything, I would suspect that the low speed circuit on the carburetor is clogged. It's a fairly simple job to clean and rebuild the carb and you only need common hand tools to do it. If you go fer it, I strongly suggest you pick up the factory service manual as it's the only one I've seen that tells you how to rebuild the carb properly. There's also an excellent article over at maxrules dot com. Look for the "Small Motor Tune up" article. (Sorry, I'm not allowed to directly link the article.)<br />There's a few used '74 4hp factory manuals selling at ebay (search for "(4, 4hp) (johnson, evinrude) manual") that would be fine for your '73. Alternatively, you can get a reprint through kencook dot com (look in the 'portfolio' section.<br /><br />I spent most the weekend putting around neices and nephews with a 4W72. Great little runners those are once they're tuned up.<br /><br />EDIT: I almost forgot - there's an excellent tutorial over on Tom Travis' site www.outboard-boat-motor-repair.com . The 3hp carb is identical to yours. The engines are very similar.
 

Burke_GA

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Paul, Although the thread was about a 4HP, it is a 2HP my bits are talking about. My boy would love it to be a 4, but the 2 will have to do him!<br /><br />The carby has already been pulled down several times (as the whole upstream fuel system was a real mess with corrosion).<br /><br />Is going quite well now "idling" a bit below the start mark and running well at WOT, so will keep him happy while i get enough info to fine tune it.<br /><br />Thanks for the GREAT ARTICLES.....exactly what i was hoping for. Am going to try and source a manual locally before using any of the US suppliers as they tend to take quite a while thru customs etc our end. <br /><br />Was "gunna" lift that sealing cap off the idle circuit but didn't want to until i got a manual (or the sort of article you pointed at). Thanks again.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Greg Burke
 

joe_morgan

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Greg, where in brisbane are you. I am up at the Sunshine Coast. I have also just bought a 72 4hp Evinrude. Great fun. I was planning on keeping it for my daughter and son when they get a little older. I think I was lucky. I got mine off ebay for $180. And the guy had told me that he spent one hundred to make sure it was running before he sold it. It started first pop. You can go to a library and photocopy some relevent pages. All of the libraries have manuals for boats. Mail me if you want to chat some more. joemorgan1@excite.com<br /><br />Cheers<br />Joe
 

Burke_GA

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I leave this on the list in case other locals don't know as well.<br /><br />Joe,<br /><br /><br />WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT!! You mean i can just walk into the local library and find some of this stuff.. please tell me more..details details!! Did you have to buy any parts and if so where do you recommend (the boat shops seem to be a loss for that).<br /><br /><br />We are out western outskirts of Brissie near Colledge's Crossing. Coupla house blocks from the river. Still rural enough to let ya kids play and fish on the river in relative safety etc. So a little motor is good.<br /><br />Good deal. Just saw another 2HP one (5 years younger than the one i'm working on) on ebay in Sydney with no bids for $70. Wonder it its basically the same and i should look at getting it? My 10 year old has always wanted a dual motor setup anyway!! Safety thru redundancy and all that, but think he was thinking of dual 150's on the back of a KevlaCat or something. Long way off yet.
 

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Joe,<br /><br />Have done internet catalog searches on both Ipswich and Brisbane council libraries. Both have multi-purpose clymer manuals in their (non-borrow) reference collections that cover my model. Is that what you found in the Coast libraries or model specific manufacturer manuals? Will go and check one out and see if OK as i think Drysdales Auto Books may have some of these ones available locally.<br /><br />Thanks again for the tip.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Greg Burke
 

joe_morgan

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Hi Greg, sorry for the delay. For some reason I cant access this website from home, but I can at work. Go figure. <br />Yeah like I was saying they have a surprisingly good spread of manuals for cars, boats and bikes. I just photcopy what I need then take it back. Caloundra have all of their manuals in the reference section but Redlands used to have a borrowable collection. Its a great service.<br />Glad I could help.<br />Also ebay often have them for sale. I was outbidded @ $40 bucks by $1. I was very upset. I went to bed and didn't watch it.<br />Grrr<br />Joe
 
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