427 ci (good motor?)

fastman14609

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

I would like all of your honest opinions on this drive platform, do you think the alpha can handle the power of this big block! Let me know your opinions!Fastman
 

bluewater19

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

Nope. It will be a time bomb.<br />Merc used it for a couple years behind the 7.4(454)and from what I have read they were less than reliable. There must be a reason they stopped using the alpha and designed the bravo for High torque/hp motors.
 

vipzach

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

I agree with Bluewater, not the best drive behind that big motor, they are great for the small motors, but not yours. If you play nicely with it, it may last you awhile, but get carried away with that right arm and you could easily blow it up. Especially when you blower that motor! (Sounds like a fun boat though) :eek:
 

fastman14609

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Well, we will see what happens i am going to have to try to use a little self control.
 

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f-man,<br />The Alpha Drive is rated to 300HP, above that Merc goes to the Bravo series. Any heavy handed hole shots with that 427 could put an end to your boating pleasure. I imagine if ya moderate your throttle usage, you can enjoy the entire summer. Or ya could just pull a plug wire or two and join the rest of the general boating public……but what fun would that be?!? What the he!! Run her till she blows.
 

Liquid_force

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

Wow - unless the hull is made of stone that should be one fast beast.<br />I once left the water in an '88 Regal Sebring 195 (19' deep V) with a carb'd 4.3L during a brief WOT encounter. I was going a hair over 50. Scared me 1/2 to death.<br /><br />I would think you could charge admission to adrenaline junkies for a short WOT ride in that tank.<br /><br />Anyway - be careful.
 

Scaaty

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Sell the Alpha on ebay before ya blow it up. Proceeds go to a surface drive and a foot throttle, and go have some fun. (And for sure do the blower!)
 

fastman14609

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

I am going to have to make some decisions on what to do with this drive. My freinds all told me never buy a alpha ,But i did so I think i am going to keep my eyes open for a bravo.
 

fastman14609

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

I like the idea of run her till she blows! Gotta have a little fun this summer.
 

fastman14609

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Thanks for all the feedback guy's! I will post some pics up in june when i get her in the water. Fastman
 

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

I've been using a regeared (1.32) Alpha 1 on the back of a 330hp 454 for three years. The secret is the weight of the boat. Sea Ray put big block/Alpha 1 units in 7000 pound boats, owners then tried to cross Lake Michigan at full throttle (no drive coolers then). Ofcourse the drives didn't last. What is the weight of your 19 footer? 2800 pounds at best. If you use a regeared unit with a drive cooler and syn gear lube you'll have no problems. I'm also a real believer in stern jacks and two speed props.
 

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> quiet cat<br /> ya gotta go back to chebby school<br />
Rodbolt,<br /><br />Never went to chebby school . . . Actually picked most of that up here: http://chevysupersports.com/SShistory.htm <br /><br />I reread it today and it supports your contention. Where it got weird was that there were actually 2 427s developed in 1963 according to this. One based on the 409 and a brand new engine. It says that the new engine was scrapped. What I missed was that the "mystery engine" got a rebirth as the 396 in 1965. I assumed that the 396 came from the 409 not the "scrapped" engine, oops. . .
 

fastman14609

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

After my mods add-ons blower,heads I should be well over 400 horse by next year. by then i should be able to push her to close to 75 mph (hopefully) I appreciate all the feedback on the drive, I think with proper care i should be able to hang onto the drive for a while.Fastman
 

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fastman,<br />One thing's fer sure...if ya got a weak point in the alpha, between the 427 and your right arm, you'll find it.
 

magster65

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Fastman,<br />The push for higher speeds is a funny game. You'll find out :) To go faster than 65 or 70 starts to take a LOT of horsepower. Every couple mph costs lotsa' moola'! I also agree with what most of these guys are saying... the alpha is good and can last if you're gentle with it. The problem may be that when it decides it's had enough you may be travelling at 70 mph. It'll probably grenade and that might cause something nasty. Not only that, your engine will rev to the moon from losing it's load. Have fun but live to tell about it. Get the bravo drive, a rev limiter and a safety kill switch. :) <br />Cheers
 

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quietcat<br /> no worries. it kept us confused back when I had to fix them :) . especially when the 402 and the 400 CID motors were released. and one version of the SBC had a different bolt pattern on the exhaust ports. I cant remember if it was the early 305 V8 or the 307. but the aft bolt hole was spaced different from all the other SBC heads in production. another problem we had was the 305 and the 350 cranks carried the same forging numbers but were balanced differently. got difficult to tell them apart sometimes. and the sbc400 came with 2 core plugs or 3 in the block depending on year. about the only way to sight ID the 400 from the reast was by looking at the block near the head surface. if it was flat from end to end it was not a 400. if it had 4 bulges it was a 400. the 402 was based on the 396 MK IV motor and without measuring the bore and stroke could only be ID by a block model number. the early run big blocks used a grooved rear cam journal for an oil passage. usuing the wrong cam would lead to an oil failure. other than the groove it would work. we grooved many cams so we could add power to an early 396.<br /> sometimes I have a strong desire to get back into hotrodding and automotive machining. thankfully I am usually sober by morning and the thought has passed :) :) <br />but I bet with todays fuel controls I could build a motor that had some weywoes :) <br /> fastman<br /> your rapidly approaching the limits of your setup. most the mods your looking at,sans the blower, are going to increase power by increasing RPM's. now your final drive ratio will have to change as well as the prop desighn.<br /> 400 HP with a well built 427 is easy. no blowers or wild mods needed. 600 HP is reliable and still normally asperated. anything over 600HP will need a dry stack type exhaust.<br /> by the time you prop it to take advantage of the 400HP your drive will puke regardless of your right arm. I imagine by the time you prop it to take advantage of what you have now it will puke regardless. a well put together 427 stock at about 350 HP will sing at 5500 RPM for hours if the cooling system and fuel systems are up to it. the alpha drive cant handle the loads the 427 can give it if the engine was assembled correctly. it aint gonna happen.<br /> there are some speedmaster drives that will, kinda. beaware the speedmaster drives and the blackhawks can take a lot of fun out of boating while lightening up your wallet.
 

fastman14609

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

speedmasters and blackhawk drive's are so exensive! After i do my mods, would i be ok using a standard bravo one drive.Fastman
 

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Re: 427 ci (good motor?)

Missed that post rodbolt. Thanks for the update. I could probably keep up with you if we were talking Caterpillar, but I am nowhere close when talking chebby history . . . :)
 
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