4hp lightwin help please!

mpar2001

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First post here, but have done alot of reading on this forum to help me out with my other boat projects, but now im stuck and cant find the answer so here goes!
I bought 2 4hp lightwins, neither were running. one is a 4706b 1977 CDI ignition, and the other a 4336c 1973. They were sold as is, neither were running at the time. sounds like my kind of project.

So I get them home, and decide the one with CDI is gonna be my motor and the other one can donate parts. I put it in a garbage can of water, put some gas in and within a couple minutes had a running engine! It ran well for a few minutes and died. Next step I rebuilt the carb, water pump impeller, put it back together and it all seemed to be running so great when............
.... i took it up to the lake, put it on my 8`zodiac and had a great boat ride which lasted about 2 minutes and it happened.. CRUNCH CRUNCH GRIND! the driveshaft splines stripped out, and worst of all the females splines in the crankshaft were completely destroyed, its just a round hole!

So not wanting to give up, I returned home swapped my bottom end, carb, rope starter, plugs, and all other parts i salvaged back onto the 73 4hp. I was really hoping for the best here, but to no avail, there is no spark on cylinder 1. Pulled off the flywheel and quickly found out why, both coils cracked and leaked everywhere. NO boating today!

Obviously ive put way too much time into this already and too much money, My wife says I have a serious illness, I am obsessed with boating and tinkering. Heres where I need your help and suggestions. I dont want to spend any more money on this(unless its a few bucks for gaskets) as I very well might end up with 2 broken motors I am already in the hole for.
1- Can I strip down my 73, remove the crankshaft, and install it in my 77 with CDI. I think this might work, but i havent pulled the flywheel off the 77 to see if the cam ontop of the crank will cause a problem
or
2- convert my 73 to CDI. looks like i would have to swap the case to the ignitor can bolt on, the head so the coils can bolt on, and anything else? is this at all possible?

anybody have any ideas? ive got one good ignition system, and one good block/rotating assembly.

thanks for any ideas and help
mike
 

kbait

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Re: 4hp lightwin help please!

Just fix the ignition system on the '73. Here's a comprehensive read on universal magnetos (coils/points under flywheel): http://forums.iboats.com/johnson-evinrude-outboards/1972-6hp-evinrude-has-no-spark-531940.html

I buy salvage coils (load tested good) from tim's 218-682-2331 for cheap (or other salvage here: http://forums.iboats.com/johnson-evinrude-outboards/salvage-yards-wilde1-438822.html ). File up your points, reset to .020" and off you go. Once the '73 is running good, you can part out the '77 and make some $$ back.

Good luck!
 

Rick.

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Re: 4hp lightwin help please!

X two what kbait said. The 73 is by no means a lesser engine just because of the older ignition system. There are some that would argue it is a better ignition system.

I lack the experience to answer you conversion questions but if you go that direction let us know how it worked out for you. Best of luck. Rick.
 

mpar2001

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Re: 4hp lightwin help please!

evening guys, had some time to play with the boat motor again tonight..
tried again, cleaned the points, set the gap, cleaned all the leaked out grease off, there was some grease and rust on the flywheel so I cleaned that off, tested again for spark and now for some reason I am getting spark on #1 again, albeit a bit weak compared to #2 which was powerful bright blue spark. Put it in the bucket pulled the cord and it did fire up but wouldnt run at low rpm, only full throttle which I quickly killed it.
The story continues, out of time to play for tonight. These 2 motors I picked up seem to get my hopes up to quickly let me down again, but 2 new coils should do the trick!

I did take the coils off to look under them to see if the spark had been arcing out of them, no signs of blackness/arcing. When these coils crack and leak all the grease out what actually happens that makes them bad? I could see there being a problem with arcing, but i wasnt able to see any signs of arcing to a metal surface. Does anyone know how this affects the coils operation? My coils are the old orange ones, i see all the newer ones are black, the new black ones must be better and last longer. What is it that causes these coils to crack in the first place, is it just poor design?

thanks guys, oh man what have i gotten myself into trying to save a buck :facepalm:
 

mpar2001

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Re: 4hp lightwin help please!

update:
went to napa yesterday, got 2 new coils and a tuneup kit, spark plugs, came in at $100.
installed the parts, and she runs like its 1973! It idles right down, sbetter than the one with cdi did and is a screamer at full throttle! pushed my 8ft with 2 people quite well all things considered. I previously had a 4.5hp merc single on it, this motor starts and idles way better and seems to have more power!

just wondering about one thing, i got the sierra tuneup kit which came with 2 condensors, 2 little bags of clips/grease, but only one set of points(armature and plate) and 1 felt wiper. Was there something missing from my kit? 2 of everything except the points set. I only changed the 1 set so I guess I will be heading back to the store to get the parts for the other one way or another.
thanks
mike
ps. anyone want to buy parts from my 77 4hp? might make a nice conversation piece, not really heavy enough to be a good anchor!
 
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