4hp won't idle and cuts out

nstevens

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I've just bought a (cheap) Evinrude 4hp to use as an auxiliary (s/n 43B36c B36824 made in Belgium). I guess from looking at it that it's a 70's model. It hadn't been run for a couple of years but I managed to get it going this morning using a drill with a friction pad on the flywheel. <br />However, it will only start with the throttle wide open and the choke on. I can then throttle back and it will run for about 3-5mins before cutting out. It doesn't matter whether choke is on/off. It doesn't have an air filter on as it's been previously broken off and lost. I know this will make it run lean but I would of expected it run better than this.<br /><br />This is what I've done so far -<br />1) cleaned the carb (quite a lot of crud build-up). It was better after this but still has the problem. <br />2) drained the old petrol and put fresh 50/1 in.<br />3) left off the tank cap (so it's vented ok)<br />4) checked the fuel flow is ok into the float chamber.<br />5) checked there's a good spark at the plugs.<br />6) just after it dies I've turned off the tank tap and checked the float chamber (about 1/2 to 3/4 full)<br /><br />Any ideas gratefully accepted. I will buy a manual for it if I can fix this problem but I'm not into throwing good money after bad :)
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 4hp won't idle and cuts out

Legin.... First things first:<br /><br />(Compression & Spark Test)<br /> <br />1st - Regardless of what problem one might encounter, always start with the basic troubleshooting procedure. Check the compression which should be in the range of 100+ psi (somewhat less on the smaller hp engines) and even on all cylinders.<br /> <br />2nd - With the spark plugs removed, rig up some type of spark tester whereas you can set a gap to be jumped. On magneto ignition systems.... and also the Battery Capacitance Ignition system OMC engines from 1968 to 1972, set the gap to 1/4". On the solid state OMC ignition systems from 1973 to the present, set the gap to 7/16". The spark should jump the gap with a strong blue lightning like flame.<br /><br />If the above checks out fine, then you've most likely overlooked something in the carburetor or it's out of adjustment. The adjustment procedures, depending on which carburetor you have, follows.<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.<br /><br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.<br /> <br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.<br />-------------------------------------------------- <br />(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs) <br /><br />Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns. <br /><br />Setting the high and low needle valves properly: <br /><br />NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.<br /><br />(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting. <br /><br />(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

nstevens

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Re: 4hp won't idle and cuts out

Heh Joe,<br />Thanks for the good advice...<br /><br />I've just gotten hold of a compression tester so I'll check that tomorrow. Over the weekend I checked a few other things and I found that although there is a good spark on each of the plugs the engine would die when I removed the HT lead off of one of them when it was running. The problem moved with the plug so I'm confident the rest of the ignition system is ok. <br />One plug is a Champion J6 and the other (duff) one is a J6C. Any idea which is the correct one to use on this engine as obviously I'm going to replace both?<br /><br />As for the carb - it is a fixed jet with no adjusting screws at all. Made by Amal.<br /><br />Any idea from the serial number (43B36c B36824) how old this thing may be? I can't find a tag plate with a model no. on though. Once I know the age I'll try and get a w/shop manual.
 

nstevens

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Re: 4hp won't idle and cuts out

Problem sorted!!!!!<br /><br />I changed the plugs and it seems to be ok now. I guess the old ones were breaking down. Couldn't get any Champion ones but bought NGK B6S which is the equivalent apparently.<br /><br />BTW - I compression tested it and had readings of 73 & 77 (which doesn't seem that high to me)<br /><br />Thanks again Joe for the reply/assistance - I appreciate it
 
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