5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Mariah218

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Hi to all, great forum! I've been an avid reader of this for some time, but its finally time to pose a question to the board of experts.

Ok, long story short,I am based in the UK with a Mariah 218 powered by Volvo5.0GL PEFS 2001 with SX drive. This winter, it suffered catasrophic freeze damage (8 inch square side of block exploded!) and I have a new 5.7 partial engine from a UK supplier called Re-Power Marine. I believe this has been sourced from the US from a company called Eagle Engines, and so far I'm very happy with the new engine. Anyway, its verified a marine engine and I am currently in the process of bolting on all my ancillaries.

I'm competent with engines (although better with Aero Engines!), and have a couple of questions:

1. After setting up initial timing, I plan to setup the timing and carb with the engine on the stand. I can only seem to find figures for timing assuming the engine has the drive connected and is in gear (550-650rpm). If I set timing at 700rpm with no drive, would this be about correct? My plan is to get the engine running as best I can, then put in the boat and fine tune in gear with the timing light.

2. For timing figures, the manuals all assume the use of 87/89 octane fuel, and thus quote advance relative to this octane. In the UK our fuel is quite a high octane, minimum 95, max 99. Would anyone know what I should set my timing to if I have to run with this fuel?

3. Finally, I have noted a slight misalignment of circulation pump pulley to raw water pump pulley, where I would need to shim raw water pump about 1/32 - 1/16 to become inline. Has this ever been heard of before, or has anyone used washers or shims to align them? I am assuming its because my new engine has a 'non volvo' harmonic balancer and maybe slightly narrower than the volvo one.

4. I have read the manuals and all the carb settings for 5.0 / 5.7GL are the same. they all use the same carb (Holley 2300 - 2bbl), same cam (yellow), same idle speed, same jets. So originally I thought I would have to rejet, but according to the books, I should be ok. any experiences out there?

Thanks to all!
 

dirtyoldman

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Hi to all, great forum! I've been an avid reader of this for some time, but its finally time to pose a question to the board of experts.

Ok, long story short,I am based in the UK with a Mariah 218 powered by Volvo5.0GL PEFS 2001 with SX drive. This winter, it suffered catasrophic freeze damage (8 inch square side of block exploded!) and I have a new 5.7 partial engine from a UK supplier called Re-Power Marine. I believe this has been sourced from the US from a company called Eagle Engines, and so far I'm very happy with the new engine. Anyway, its verified a marine engine and I am currently in the process of bolting on all my ancillaries.

I'm competent with engines (although better with Aero Engines!), and have a couple of questions:

1. After setting up initial timing, I plan to setup the timing and carb with the engine on the stand. I can only seem to find figures for timing assuming the engine has the drive connected and is in gear (550-650rpm). If I set timing at 700rpm with no drive, would this be about correct? My plan is to get the engine running as best I can, then put in the boat and fine tune in gear with the timing light.

2. For timing figures, the manuals all assume the use of 87/89 octane fuel, and thus quote advance relative to this octane. In the UK our fuel is quite a high octane, minimum 95, max 99. Would anyone know what I should set my timing to if I have to run with this fuel?

3. Finally, I have noted a slight misalignment of circulation pump pulley to raw water pump pulley, where I would need to shim raw water pump about 1/32 - 1/16 to become inline. Has this ever been heard of before, or has anyone used washers or shims to align them? I am assuming its because my new engine has a 'non volvo' harmonic balancer and maybe slightly narrower than the volvo one.

4. I have read the manuals and all the carb settings for 5.0 / 5.7GL are the same. they all use the same carb (Holley 2300 - 2bbl), same cam (yellow), same idle speed, same jets. So originally I thought I would have to rejet, but according to the books, I should be ok. any experiences out there?

Thanks to all!


1) You're in the ballpark with that number. There's no good way to get closer.

2) I'd be very careful doing this. You can take advantage of it with more compression, and may be able to squeak a few degrees out of it, but the risk is that your new engine becomes an old engine very fast.

3) Those would be some thin washers, but that should work if you can get the thickness correct. 1/16" isn't a whole lot anyway if you can't get it to work

4) I wouldn't think you need to rejet, at least not a whole lot.
 

dfaoro

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Along the same line of questioning, I have a 1998 5.0 GI in my boat, the "i" meaning fuel injected. Just planning ahead, can i swap out the block for a 5.7 long-block and use the same fuel injection system and accessories? The answer to this question seems to be elusive!
 

Mariah218

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Thanks DirtyOldMan (never thought I'd find myself saying that!).

Any ideas on how much to adjust timing by for 95 octane fuel? If I just set to 12 degrees (as per Volvo manual, for 89 fuel) would I be damaging the engine if I use 95 fuel, or what effects would I suffer?

I also google'd raw water pump shims, and found that they exist in the US, but not in the UK. think I will make an shim myself from Aluminium.
 

dirtyoldman

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Thanks DirtyOldMan (never thought I'd find myself saying that!).

Any ideas on how much to adjust timing by for 95 octane fuel? If I just set to 12 degrees (as per Volvo manual, for 89 fuel) would I be damaging the engine if I use 95 fuel, or what effects would I suffer?

I also google'd raw water pump shims, and found that they exist in the US, but not in the UK. think I will make an shim myself from Aluminium.

No need to build a shim. Look here:

http://www.fastenal.com/web/search/...shims-shim-stock/arbor-shims/_/N-gj4zvd&Nty=0

Personally I'd get steel or stainless for a marine application.



You will not damage your engine by running higher octane than the required amount. I'd set the timing at the factory spec and put whatever fuel you can get in there.
 

180shabah

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

DO NOT advance the timing, our fuels are closer than the numbers suggest - different rating technique.

dfaoro - don't hijack, start a new thread so we can discuss your issues with confusing things for DOM
 

Mariah218

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Re: 5.0 to 5.7 Conversion - Setup

Thanks Shabah, thats reassuring. I wondered how the US fuels could be that different, as you say, they can't be all that far apart, must be a diferent rating technique. Shame they are not closer in price. Ours is now $1.9 per LITRE!!

I will stick to factory setting for timing, its easier for me allround. Can't wait to get this thing going at last.
 
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