5.7 thru hull exhaust

marlinempress

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hi!<br />I've got a 23' marlin empress with an omc 5.7 in it. The exhaust flappers in the intermediate housing have burned up and I hear you have to take the whole motor out and crap to change them, time and money are two things I don't have much of so I'm thinking of just changing it to a custom thru hull exhaust system. Any ideas on where I could get the thru hull fittings and flappers for cheap? I've tried ebay and stuff without any luck.<br />Thanks for any help!
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

On MerCruisers, all you have to do is remove the exhaust elbows form the manifolds and access is quite good (depending on the boat). I would imagine the same would be true for the Cobra. But if those are 1-piece manifolds, that would require removing the manifolds. Still a whole lot easier than pulling the motor.
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

I've tried ebay and stuff without any luck.
You Either haven't Tried Hard enough, Or, Long enough.........<br /><br />I see it All the Time..........
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

Those exhaust shutters are in the Y pipe, and all you have to do is pull the riser to get to it.<br />If I knew what year you have, I could link you to a website showing them.
 

marlinempress

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

that'd be sweet to see a site with 'em. It's the last half-year of the omc 800, 1986. That's what the boat is at least, it's probably an '85 drive.
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

How do you know they are bad?<br /><br />They are part of the bellhousing. Which is why you don't see them on Ebay. You can get to them by removing the drive and intermediate unit.<br /><br />I have not read much about them going bad in Stringers. It would be very difficult for them to burn up in my opinion.
 

marlinempress

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

yeah, the part I would need is #98 on this page I think http://dougrussell.com/partscatalog...8,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319 but I don't really see how I'd be able to remove the intermediate gearcase without taking the engine out. the picture just shows the exhaust baffle going to the tilt housing and stops, I highly doubt the exhaust baffle goes in the tilt housing... That's why I've pretty much opted to just install thru-hull instead of go through the headache of all that. I know they're bad because I saw something coming out of the exhaust hole once when the drive was tilted up so I yanked it out and it looked like a flapper all burnt up, a little metal plate covered in some messed up rubber. Also when I turn the engine off while in water, whenever I start it up I have to rev it a bunch of times to get it cleared out before I can accelerate smoothly.
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

flirting with disaster, if you continue to run it that way, just make sure and idle down slowly. You don't want that big wave behind you to stuff your cylinders full of water when you stop.
 

marlinempress

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

yeah I realize this probably isn't real good for my engine, that's why I wanna get it fixed. I shouldn't have any problems with a thru-hull though right?
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

That is not the "flapper" you are reffering to. That is a baffle plate for helping to muffle the sound I believe.<br /><br />You remove the intermediate after removing the transom ring and seal. You have to work the nuts off from both above than from below.<br /><br />I'm puzzled about your real problem anyway. Sure you just don't have bad manifolds/risers???
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

if I had bad manifolds or risers would it make a difference whether I was connected to a hose or in the water? #98 on that website doesn't really look like what came out, it had a rounded edge to it. There's also supposed to be two flappers right?
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

Please explain your problem in detail that led you to think about thru hull exhausting.<br /><br />Doug Russell does not have a picture of the bellhousing. Neither does my Seloc book. I just bought a shop manual. When it shows up, i'll look to see if there is one in it.
 

marlinempress

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

ok here's what led me to believe thru-hull would fix my problem without having to replace the flappers. At the end of the season before last my thermostat got jacked and my engine got pretty hot, around 250 or something I think but I noticed it right away and shut it down and ripped out the thermostat. Then this past season I noticed that when I'm hooked to a hose and rev it a little bit everything is fine, even after turning it off and stuff. But whenever I'm in the water, even after I throttle down way slow and let the engine idle for a little bit then shut it off, when I start it back up it starts fine, and it acts normal until like 2000 rpm, once it hits that it'll bog like a turd. So needless to say it won't plane until I put it in neutral and just rev the engine repeatedly until it gets past the bog point. Usually takes about a minute or so. So when I found a burnt piece of rounded metal covered in rubber coming out of my exhaust hole with the drive up presumably from when the motor got hot the season before, I figured it's a reasonable conclusion that a bit of water is getting into the wrong place when I'm sitting in the water without the pressure from the exhaust pushing it out, since the flapper was in my hand....I talked to a local mechanic who works on omc 800 drives all the time and he said to replace the flappers is like 50 bucks per flapper and 500 labor. I was considering doing a thru-hull system anyway and just capping the y-pipe should prevent water from getting in. That way I could have thru hull and fix the water seeping problem with the flappers on the transom for the above waterline exhaust for like 100 bucks. Better than 600 and more beneficial in my book anyway.
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

Water will not get into the engine with it just sitting there with bad flappers. You will need waves, wakes, or something to force the water up the exhaust and into the engine. The exhaust riser is supposed to be about 13" or 14" minimum above the waterline. If you haven't had any waves or wakes hitting the back of the boat, then I would think you have problems with the risers or manifolds if you are getting water into your engine. Of course your engine may just need a tuneup or filter change, or something else, but from the sounds of it, it's not bad flappers causing your running problems.
 

marlinempress

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

I think I can understand that, but still why would there be a difference as to if the boat's in the water or on muffs? The manifolds are still getting pressurized from the water pump on the muffs, which leads me to believe it's something more external, since the manifolds should be seeing the same thing each way from the pump - water and pressure.
 

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Re: 5.7 thru hull exhaust

Ya, that's it.<br /><br />Like Don said, that's most likely not causing your problem. But do what you want.<br /><br />Good luck with the thru hull. <br />You will also run into a design problem that has to do with the selectrim.<br /><br />Don't forget to plug the exhaust ports on the bellhousing or you will be pulling your boat out of the drink.
 

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when I start it back up it starts fine, and it acts normal until like 2000 rpm, once it hits that it'll bog like a turd. So needless to say it won't plane until I put it in neutral and just rev the engine repeatedly until it gets past the bog point. Usually takes about a minute or so.
That sounds more like a Carb./Fuel Issue.......<br /><br />Or, Possibly an Ignition Advance Issue.......
 
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