50hp Force Outboard any good???

paulgp6022

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Hi, Is a mid- 1980's 50hp Force Outboard reliable? Who makes it? Is it the one made by Chrysler or something like that? Please let me know if this motor is ample enough power for a 16ft bayliner bowrider. Thanks!
 

Waterbugtoo

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

Parts are getting scarce and expensive.
 
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DJ

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paul,<br /><br />Many folks have had good service out of the Force engine. Many haved cursed them.<br /><br />The Force was an entry level engine. It was frequently used as a price leader and was "sold up" from there. <br /><br />Because of the entry level status, many of the first time buyers that bought them were clueless about maintenance.<br /><br />The vintage of the engine you are looking at still (I believe)had the Chrysler lower unit. It was slightly undersized and made prop. selection a bit difficult.<br /><br />Here's what I would look for:<br /><br />1. Get compression readings. They should be within 10% of each other (cylinder).<br /><br />2. Check the lower unit for water intrusion. Have it pressure and vacuum checked for seal integrity.<br /><br />If you do buy it, perform a decarb (use search section and type in word-"decarb.") very soon. These engines tended to run a bit dirty and ring sticking was an issue.<br /><br />The boat/engine package you are looking at will perform OK, but that's about it. It was an entry level package, all around. Check the B'liner over thoroughly for soft spots in the floor. If you find them, keep looking.
 

radsrh

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

If you plan to use the bayliner for any water sports (tube ski) ect, the 50 seems on the small side. I have a 17' with a 85 that I just re powered with a 90 Honda (max Hp for the boat) and a friend of mine has the 16' with a 85 both Force motors, and they had to work hard for any fun on the water.
 

paulgp6022

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here is the link to the boat on Ebay I am talking about. Let me know what you guys think. I mean, besides interior work, it looks Click here ok for the price.
 
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DJ

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Paul,<br /><br />That "Force" engine is definetely a Chrysler in Force trim.<br /><br />If you cannot physically inspect this boat, I would be leary.<br /><br />As others have said, the fifty will be marginal.
 

mellowyellow

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

based on how the interior looks, I would guess it<br />hasn't been very well cared for. if it was covered<br />and unused for 10 yrs, I would think it would be<br />in better shape. if you can't go and inspect it<br />prior to purchase, I would pass. my '72 has better<br />looking interior. motor mounted a little strange<br />too with the wood block on the transom. for all<br />you know the entire floor and the stringers could<br />be completely shot. just be careful!<br />just my .02<br />M.Y.
 

radsrh

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

From the pics of the boat she looks pretty rough, I would stay away from this one sounds like it spent to much time sitting on the trailer and that is not good for a motor the hoses seals and diaphragms can dry out. The interior of the boat would also need to be replaced and you neaver know what shape the floor of the boat is in.
 

steelespike

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

I wouldnt bother with that rig.<br />The Force has a shakey reputation both for performance and reliability.The small Bayliners <br /> tend to have problems with rot in the floors and transom.Just too much potential grief.
 

paulgp6022

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

Yea, I was wondering the same thing about it being stored and covered for 10 years. The interior should have been in better shape if it were stored. I am going to pass on this one. If anyone is in the CT area and has a bowrider for sale under $3500 let me know. Thanks
 

12Footer

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

Paul, What Djohns said.<br />I own the same boat, and can tell you the engine has been flawless,but is a maintainance headache. I must decarb it every outing ,both because of it's design, and the fact that most of my operations are in manatee idle zones.<br />The lower units need to be drained/inspected/refilled anually, no excuses.This is due to the size,as Djohns ellued to.<br />There is little to let you know what is happeneing back there (no gauges), so if and when the impeller fails, the motor is trashed...So change it out every season. Install an after market temp gauge or sensor, as the overheat buzzer will only go off to let you know it's time to buy a new engine.<br />I've had to replace the L/U seals, fuel pump diaphram and impeller in the past 2 years.<br />This is all routine maintainence stuff anyway tho.<br /><br />But outside of being stuck with one prop size only, you will be sorely dissappointed in the boat's performance,as it will barely get on plane with two people in it. It's top speed with one person is 25MPH GPS...This is plenty fast if you boat in an area where anything over 5MPH is breakin the law--breakin the law (sorry, I'm a nuge fan).<br />Also, the Bayliner Capri has "issues" under the decking that you cannot see. They were formed using chopper guns, which would be ok,if only the workers used rollers....They didn't. So you have some ugly laminatation flaws. Add to this, the fact that the decking and transom is wood sandwich,and you have the potential for rot.<br />No biggie, if the transom is like new,sealed well,and if you don't mind ripping the deck out,<br />and rebuilding it, go for it.I did not mind,as it was expected before I bought it, and the price was right.<br />So jump up and down on every sqaure inch of decking, looking for any give or sponge, indicating rot.Inspect the transom for abscense of cracks, dings, or mounting holes open to the elements. check both inside and outside. If the transom is clean and solid, go for it.
 

miloman

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

I tend to agree with 12 footer best if you can check it out if not pass 100% but if you can and it appears that hte repairs are not going to cost you all that much except time well if your handy go for it seems that the price was 900 i mean offer the guy a real low ball and see if you can steal it from him and you now have a project
 

Steve135

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

paulgp6022 Hey thanks for the link to the boat <br />I like the boat I hope I win it! I will use the Force as a wreck anchor. I loose alot of good anchors around here in NJ! They cost big bucks too about 30.00 Force engines aren't worth that much!! LOL!!<br />steve
 

roscoe

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Re: 50hp Force Outboard any good???

Take a look at the background in the pictures. It looks like the guy runs a boat graveyard, and he's trying to empty a few graves.<br /><br />If the floor and transom aren't rotted it would be a miracle.<br /><br />The text on the auction sounds like it was written by a 10 year old and offers no real information, just promises of how it will be perfect for YOU. Best offer for this rig would be 1/2 of salvage price, about $300. <br /><br />Better yet, take your $300 and give it to a food pantry. At least then you won't have to spend the next 2 years trying to fix this thing, or having to look at it in your driveway, and you will sleep better knowing you helped someone.<br /><br />Trailer is surely in need of repairs- bearings, spindles, springs, tires, winch strap, lights, bunk carpet, wiring.
 
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