65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

GILLY1979

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i have recently had problems with my gear box, i could not select gears at all.
i pulled the lower unit apart and found small brass shavings inside. on the selector i found the yoke (small brass piece) was warn. i can purchase another here in australia but was wondering if there was any shims or anything that helped lock this brass piece to the selector rod. it it a one piece unit so it was a pain to pull apart.:) i read a book and it told me how to put back together, i have to remove the reverse gear and put it in last to be abble to re assemble. the rest of the box looks fine. any help would be awsome.
 

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arsenalpsu

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Re: 65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

I don't see much wrong with your yoke. When it's in place there should be no need for a shim, the gear shift arm holds it in place against the gear shift pin. The gear that moves front to back (the clutch), look at the edges of this and the gears it locks into (front and rear bevel)...how warn are the edges? If they are too rounded or worn out it won't go into gear or will jump.

Did you also try adjusting the linkage where your lower gear shift rod hooks into the motor? It can be tricky to find just the right spot to get forward and reverse smoothly.

I was also able to get my LU back in with out disassembling the gear assembly. It's tricky to get the yoke back in place but it's a lot easier than taking apart the gears. You hang the yoke and shift rod in the housing and slide the gears in, if the yoke is hanging in the right spot it should slide right on, then screw in the arm pin.

All this assuming you have the correct gear shift arm pin....maybe if it's too large the arm isn't rotating to push the clutch?

Let me know....
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

Hey there Gilly! How did the piston clean-up?

ALL larger Chrysler and non-Mercury Force lower units use that same yoke--AND-- there was a steel one offered at one time. If you want a steel one, ask Franz, at franzmarine .com. He probably knows if they are still available.

However, it is possible to adjust the linkage with too much throw into either gear and this will put additional pressure on the yoke causing undue wear.

The yoke has no shims or clips because due to the design, it can not slip out of position once assembled correctly.

When reassembling, use a heavy grease to hold the yoke to the center shaft. Leave the top of the lower unit open so you can see down--it makes it way easier. Pull up on the shift rod to move the other steel pivot forward (actually reverse position). Slide in the drive shaft/forward gear and yoke and engage the pivot with the two ears on the yoke. Do not move anything until reverse gear and bearing carrier is in place. Then check the action by moving the shift rod through forward and reverse positions. The shift rod itself should be screwed all the way into the pivot and only backed out enough to match the hole on the connecting block at the top.

NOW, after re-attaching the lower unit, adjust the shift linkage so there is the same movement from neutral to forward and neutral to reverse. Check this by marking the rod in neutral and in forward and reverse. I forget if that engine has clearance or not; you may need to mark the connecting block rather than the lower rod. At any rate, the important thing is that the lower rod which goes into the lower unit has the same throw both ways. Total throw is designed into the linkage and can not be changed--only the ratio of forward to reverse can be.

Finally: A word to the wise: Take it on good authority; those lower units had small gears for the horsepower. That engine developed magnificent torque at low speeds and it is really easy to overload and tear out the gears. Using a too small pitch prop will allow the engine to develop its torque and horsepower too fast and on a hole shot, it will strip the gears almost immediately. I know. I ran my 60 for several weeks with a 10 x 13 prop with no problems. As soon as I switched to a 10 X 12 prop, I stripped the gears with the first hole shot, full throttle acceleration.--within 5 seconds! BTW: that 60 does 45 MPH on a 14 foot closed deck boat--that ain't too shabby! But, while it has the power, I would not use it for water skiing.

The engine block itself was the epitome of cross flow design with long rods, packed block, large displacement, through piston skirt porting, massive bypass and exhaust ports, equal length exhaust runners, and twin carbs.--A real beauty. Too bad Chrysler did not extend that design to the 3 and 4 cylinder engines. Would have really given Merc and OMC a run for their money.

So, you need to take care of that lower unit since like pistons, no gears are available and not too many used lowers come on the market. If at all possible, accelerate slowly until the boat is on plane. Once the boat is on plane, load against the gears lessens and you should be ok for full throttle performance.
 

GILLY1979

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Re: 65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

thanks fellas,
howdy frank! yeah pison cleaned up fantastic. i gave it to one of the fitters from work and they did some minor repairs to it and it came up a treat.. got myself some new rings and big end bearings from evinrude. the needles in these cages dont fall out and are a purfect fit. saves all the heavy packing of grease. all i had to do was give a light grease for the initial lubricaton, before the petrol washes the grease away..:)

the brass section i have found that i can get a new piece about 35 dollars. i tryed on every possible angle to get it out of the housing but could not manage to get it out...hence the dismantling. but thats cool since i rebuilt the top end i might as well replace the bearings and seals in the gearbox while im at it..:) i rang a chrysler wrecker here in melbourne (ausralia) and they have 3 complete reconditioned one peice gearbox's ($1,000) ouch! i think a 35 part aint worth spending $1000 when the rest of my gearbox is in great condition. i think the slop in the gears is just from the worn brass section which was worn 3 mm each side of the face ...6mm of slop on the throw clutch.. hope u all have a safe and happy christmass...:D
 

Madmagna

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Re: 65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

Gilly,
Where in Australia have you been able to find parts as I would love to get some spares for mine while they are still about
 

Johnny_4321

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Re: 65hp chrysler (1978) gearbox

John here in CT, USA.. I am one of those owners of the Chrysler '78 65 HP owners.. I found one for practially free and ran it for 1 day until I realized that it had burned out pistons.. I took on the task of rebuilding it (which was extreamly easy) but almost did't work because getting over sized .030 pistons was nearly impossible.. I called every marine shop up and down the east and west coast. I finally got a pair with rings from down in Florida... A 90 year old guy who use to own a marine shop had old Chrysler parts up in his attic. I sent his wife flowers for helping me out.
The lower units are fragile... but the engine is great!!! Super. I've rebuild mine once every 3 years and made my own shift pins, clutch dogs, and yokes.. easy.
I've picked up used gears over the years and re-weld, then EDM out the lugs for the clutch dog. I've rounded them over so many times.. I've made the lugs on the clutch longer and the mating part on the forward gear deeper so I get more engagement... Keeps it from consistantly poppin' out of gear..

I'm always looking for used parts for this engine... does anyone have parts for sale? Lower unit parts or complete units..

thanks,

John in CT
 
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