71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

desertrat301

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The tiltle says it all. Spent some time tinkering with it today. I just traded a big block for this motor and it was doing it when I tested it from the owner. I thought then that it was the ignition switch that was with the controls that the owner gave me. I installed it on my boat with my controls that I know are good and It still had this problem. I assume that one of the ignition components is bad. Hopfully someone can help me narrow it down before I have to dump a bunch of money into new components.

Thanks in advance
Damon.
 

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

Simple solution... buy a new starter solenoid and your problem is solved. Prove that theory by connecting the battery wire to the ignition coil. If it stays running your answer is as written.

Explanation; There is a little part inside the solenoid that is called a "fish hook". It's a piece of copper (looks like a fish hook) that connects the large battery cable to the brown ignition wire while cranking. In essence that gives the ignition 9 volts while you crank your engine. (If it has two ballast resistors on it, then replace the resistors).
 

desertrat301

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

I was leaning in that direction. I'll see if I've got one on one of my other motors. Let you know tommorow.
 

emckelvy

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

The starter solenoid has nothing to do with the ignition. The setup the O.P. is referring to is for a dual-point 2-coil ignition found on '65 and older Inline Sixes. Your 1150 has a trigger-fired distributor and CDI switchbox with a single coil.

On the Stbd side of the switchbox (opposite the distributor) you'll see a red terminal and below that, a white terminal.

Battery voltage is present all the time on the red terminal. Battery voltage is only present on the white terminal with the ign in the 'START' or 'RUN' position. You'll only have spark when there's power on both terminals.

Since you have spark with keyswitch in 'START', it's possible that the ign switch is bad and you don't have power going to the white terminal with the switch in the 'RUN' position.

This is easy to check, just turn the switch to 'RUN' and check for power on the white terminal. If there's no power, replace the switch. If there is power, you could have a problem with the trigger or switchbox (most likely the trigger).

In that case, recommend you perform the following test which should help you get to the bottom of your problem:

"MERCURY BATTERY-POWERED CDI TEST FOR DISTRIBUTOR MODELS

This test is for the 332-2986 switchbox used from 1967-1978 on all the inlines.

This test assumes your coil is good (problems with CDI coils are rare).

DISCONNECT BATTERY

1. Turn off ignition;

2. Disconnect all 3 distributor wires on the Port side of the switchbox (and the ?mercury switch? if present);

3. Remove the HV lead from the ign coil to the center of the dist. cap (remember it unplugs from the coil and unscrews from the cap);

4. Reconnect the HV lead to the COIL only;

5. Position the free end of the HV lead approx. 3/8" from ground (block, shrouds etc), and find a way to hold it there;

6. Jumper the brown and white terminals on the dist. side of the switchbox to each other.

RECONNECT BATTERY

7. Check that you have +12V at the red terminal (even with the ign off);

8. Turn on ignition and verify +12V at the white terminal (same side as the red terminal);

9. Ground the black terminal on the distributor side of the switchbox - this should cause a spark each time you touch ground.

If you get spark with the distributor bypassed, and it won't fire with the distributor connected, the trigger is bad and the entire distributor housing assy must be replaced.

If you get no spark using the test, the switchbox is probably bad. In that case, be sure to check for correct power on the switchbox, check all connections, and check the coil's resistance to make sure it's OK."

HTH, let us know what you find and we'll take it from there...............ed
 

desertrat301

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

Thank you I will do the test after work tommorow. I'll let you all know what I find.
 

desertrat301

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

All right, I finally got the chance to do the test. I do have spark with the distributor bypassed. I guess this means I have to replace the trigger. I see they have them on this site, is this the best way to go? Is there anyone that might have a good one they would sell?

I have a couple of parts motors but they are all pre 68' with points ignitions. Is this hard to change? Will I have to retime the motor? I read the manual and it sounds quite indepth I'm sure I could figure it out though.
 

emckelvy

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

Here's a guy with a real good writeup on the trigger replacement:

http://www.myoutboardengine.com/distributor_1.html

He's doing a 3-cyl distributor but there's plenty of good general info that should get you thru.

The most important thing to keep in mind is that the rotor is one-piece on the shaft and is NON-Removable! You really really don't wanna break that part as it's very very $$$ to get a new rotor/shaft assy!

The other thing is, make sure you get the 'chopper' disk back on the correct way. If you don't get a new one with the replacment trigger (CDI Electronics brands do come with one), be sure to mark the side that faces out towards you.

http://www.cdielectronics.com/AppGuide.aspx?Criteria=134-3736

http://www.cdielectronics.com/InstallSheet/134-3736.pdf

iboats store $271.02
http://www.iboats.com/Mercury-Marine-134-3736-Trigger-CDI-Electronics/dm/view_id.696947

Here's a few other places to research parts/prices if you care to do so:

$224.68 at www.boatfix.com go to http://www.boatfix.com/searchcdi.asp
and plug the part # 134-3736 into the search box.

www.boats.net

www.crowleymarine.com

www.mercruiserpart.com

http://www.magemarinestore.com/cdime46cydit.html $234.00

http://www.marineparts.com/p-13932-mercury-trigger.aspx $244.53

If you find a site cheaper than www.boatfix.com I'd sure like to know, the doggone triggers are getting more expensive all the time!!!

Note that if you're careful you can get the top bearing out without damaging it, the bottom bearing will likely be trashed and you're gonna need a new one for the new trigger housing anyway. I don't think they come with a new brg already installed, that'd be nice wouldn't it?

You can get the Merc replacement parts or take the brgs to your local auto parts store and they'll be able to match them up with ones that I bet are less $$$. Or try searching eBay for the generic bearing #, I've found some real good deals on hi-quality brgs there.

Don't forget a new lower bearing snap ring, this retaining ring is infamous for breaking and when it does, the shrapnel circulating in the distributor will shred your nice new trigger! I've had this happen to me and it's not enjoyable to say the least!!!!

Happy Repairs...........ed
 

desertrat301

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

Thanks for the info. This may end up being a winter fix unless I run into some unexpected cash. I'll post the ending.
 

justrandy1969

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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

im not trying to be smartbutt , i dont understand the trigger being bad if it runs with the starter engaged? mine will even accelerate fine , idle fine , as long as the starter is going. completely removed the starter solinoid , to touch the pos batt cable to starter to crank it , did fine as long as i was holding the cable to the starter ( and the starter running of course) , take the cable off , boom , dies .
 
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Re: 71 1150 Fires then dies as soon as you realease key from crank position

post removed get a starter soliniod
 
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