75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

[misfit171]

I accidentally took the pivot pin screw out of my 1975 6 horse johnson and now it won't go back in ? I was changing the lower unit oil for the first time cause I just aquired this motor and didn't really bat an eye till I found I can't get the thing back in and the reverse neutral and forward aren't exactly where they are supposed to be . How can I get this screw back in ? With as little surgery as possible ? Thanks

 

[boobie]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Take a good light and a pick and move the shift lever very slowly. If you see the hole in the shift clevis, line it up with the pick and put the screw in.

 

[oldboat1]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

yes..been there. Like boobie says, and plan on using up some patience.

 

[misfit171]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Well I got it . I had to put a little bevel on the end of the screw , but it went in. I seems to shift ok , but the prop doesn't seem to spin as free as it used to in neutral ? I'll put it in water tomorrow and see if everything seems normal . Thanks for the info

 

[gm280]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Well I got it . I had to put a little bevel on the end of the screw , but it went in. I seems to shift ok , but the prop doesn't seem to spin as free as it used to in neutral ? I'll put it in water tomorrow and see if everything seems normal . Thanks for the info

If the pivot pin/screw went back in correctly I don't see how it could possibly cause neutral to be effected... Let us know after you do check it out...

 

[steelespike]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

The fresh lube may have a little more body or perhaps the old lube was not full.

 

[boobie]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Try it and see what happens.

 

[oldboat1]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

agree with all of the above. If that model has the upper and lower shift rod, though, and the brass connector, you may not have quite fully seated one or both of the rod ends in the connector. Drop the lower unit once more, and reconnect the shift rod (or rods -- whatever you disconnected.) You may have to open up the connector a little with a bladed screwdriver to make sure that the rod fully seats. The bolt goes through the indentation in the tip of the rod to the threaded side of the connector. It's possible that you could have tightened down the hex bolt (or machine screw) tight enough to hold the rod from slipping out, but without seating it properly -- thereby throwing off the shifting. Just a thought.

 

[racerone]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

A 1975 model would have the 2 piece shift rod and the brass connecter.

 

[boobie]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

I didn't read anything in the thread where he was messing with the upper shift linkage, just the pivot pin in the lower unit.

 

[racerone]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Post # 8 ---????

 

[misfit171]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

All I did was pull the pivot pin out . I used a small Phillips head screw driver to line the holes up and beveled the end of the screw and fanangled her in there . Without the pin in there the neutral was where the reverse was and spun free with pin in place the neutral has a little drag ? I'll run it after the freeze is over and let y'all know .

 

[racerone]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Hopefully the shifter fork is in the right place on the cradle.-----------You do know that it is not that big of a deal to remove the skeg and make sure that everything is in order.------Did this many times when folks came into the shop with this same issue.

 

[misfit171]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

That's probably what I'll do. I was just worried if I took it apart that things wouldn't come flying out like gears and stuff.

 

[racerone]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Stuff does not fly out at all.-------Very easy work if you relax and take your time.----Ask questions BEFORE you use a hammer.

 

[gm280]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Okay, I was mistaken in my previous comment. Some how I was thinking the shifter linkage in the exhaust housing instead of the lower foot pivot pin/screw. If you are having any shifting issues now, stop and don't start the engine at all. You really need to remove the lower section to verify that you got the pivot pin/screw back in through the shifter lever and cradle shifter assembly so you don't trash the foot when started up again. Here is a break down of your lower section if it helps;

http://www.**********/parts/search/BRP/JOHNSON/1975/6R75R/GEARCASE/parts.html

Fill in the blanked area with B O A T S . N E T

I'm equally sure you can also find the breakout here on iboats as well. I just didn't search.

 

[boobie]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Take it and try it before you do any tearing down.

 

[oldboat1]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

ah. had the idea somehow that you had dropped the lower unit (as you would do to replace the impeller). If you didn't do that, and the motor was shifting OK before you pulled out the pivot pin, then #8 above is irrelevant. Sorry about that. I have done what Racerone suggests (#13) on a similar motor, and it's not difficult. Drain the lower unit oil, and drop the bottom half of the gearcase (the skeg). Get a parts blow up first so you can see what you have, if you haven't been in a gearcase before. Cradle goes into the slot on the clutch dog, and the shift lever (with the pin you replaced) fits up to the cradle. I want to mention, though, that when you drop the lower part of the gearcase shell, you may see a spaghetti seal used between the upper and lower shells. It would be a good time to replace that if it's flattened out, broken, or otherwise not doing it's job.

 

[oldboat1]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

going to defer on gearcase repair, because I'm thinking that the lower unit needs to be removed and the gearcase inverted for adjustment/repair. I was thinking you could drop the lower shell slightly to make the adjustment of the shift lever/cradle fit, but might have to be inverted for this fix.

 

[misfit171]

Re: 75 johnson 6 horse pivot pin removed accidentally

Well I ran her tonight and it ran and shifted great . Very good.I think I'm in the clear . Thanks for all the help.