84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

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Hello all
i have just aqquired a 85 nitro 17' with a 84 mercury blackmax v-150 boat starts and idles great but trying to get the boat on plane has yet to happen . seems as if the engine goes into nuetral about half throttle. brought it back off the water yesterday and decided to check the fluid in the lower unit, i dont know how much fluid it should have in it but i dont think metal shards are suppose to be in the fluid .also the drain screw was covered in metal anyone have any suggestions as to where to start or look ? any help would be greatly appreciated
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

The lower unit drain is on the under side of the big, round, housing that contains the prop shaft and the prop. There is a SS screw there with a blue sealing washer. Up on the side of the lower unit, above the small water inlet holes (forget which side it's on) but before you get to the anti-vent plate is a similar screw which is the vent for filling the lower unit. It too should have the blue washer.....these two seals must be in like new condition for you to keep water out of the lower unit gears.....I only use these and I get them from a Merc dealer.

Put a suitable pan under the lower unit, pull both screws and let the lower unit oil drain.

Refill with Quicksilver heavy duty/high performance/ or whatever is on the label....forget and the bottles are in the shop. Refill procedure is to insert the oil adapter that comes with the bottle of oil into the lower hole and force oil into the lower unit until it appears at the upper vent hole..keep filling till the bubbles pretty much clear up and install and tighten the top screw. Remove the fill spiggot and quickly install the lower screw tightening both as snug as you can with a screwdriver and your bare hand.

The oil that comes out usually will contain some metal particles. Some engines have magnets embedded in the lower screw (a little black magnetic cylinder) and if your engine has one, you should clean off the metal particles while the screw is out. It's obvious that you are going to have shavings there, otherwise Merc wouldn't have a magnet down there to collect them.

Merc fluid is blue-black. Any yellowing is water and bad news...the more yellowing, the more potential problems you could have. I have used Pennzoil lower unit oil bought from WW and it's honey colored.....but it is clear. Water yellow is like chocolate milk consistency just gets yellower as the water content increases.

After you finish changing your fluid, pull your prop nut and nut retainer off and mark your prop at the rear. Mark a straight line from the spline part of the prop hub all the way out till you get to the exhaust openings. Put the nut back on, torque to 55 ft/lbs (good and tight....not bolt breaking tight) line up a slot in the prop and bend your nut locking tangs down.

Take the boat out and run it just until you experience your problem. Get back to the dock or where ever and remove the nut and keeper. Look at the line you made. If it is not a straight line like you marked, your problem is a spun hub in your prop and either a prop shop needs to replace it or you need a new prop.

HTH,

Mark
 
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

fluid that came out of lower unit was blue/black didnt notice any yellowing in the fluid at all but like i said i did notice metal shavings both on the drain screw and in the oil . i havent ever spun a hub in my props but i guess there's a first time for everything . i guess thats why the boat will rev up but no response from the prop ?
 
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

Well I had a new prop hub pressed in and changed the fluid in the lower unit and still have the same issue looks like it time to go into the lower unit itself on the up side I did get my clymer manual .anyone have any input on what kind of challenge I am in for
 

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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

Are you sure the shift cable is adjusted properly?
 

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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

On the trailer, with the motor OFF and the lanyard pull so the motor cannot start, turn the prop while a helper shifts into Forward gear, turn the prop CW, it should ratchet. Turn the prop CCW, it should lock. With good shoes on, step on the blade to try turning the prop CCW, does it stay locked or slip out of gear. Look at the shift linkage to see how far it has moved forward, mark it with a Sharpie. Now disconnect the shift cable and see if the linkage will move any farther forward, repeat the step test on the prop, does it hold now? If so, replace the shift cable.
 
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

I haven't checked the boat goes into gear just fine but when I try to get on plane it just nuetrals out . Would a shift cable make it do that?
 

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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

If the metal 'shards' are larger than the minute particles of paste, say almost fine ground pepper or larger, it may be possible that you have lost a enough of the gear tooth that it does slip when the load is increased.

Check here to see if your manual is still available

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=309079&p=2072211#post2072211

Drain the oil again, remove the prop. remove the carrier assy and propshaft to inspect the gears.
 
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

Well drained the lower unit. Go figure more metal more than last time fluid still looks good no water in the lower unit going to start disassembly got a feeling my forward gear is going to need to be replaced
 
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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

Lower unit off. I'll start teardown tommorow hopeing for a slipping clutch
 

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Re: 84 mercury blackmax v-150 lower unit porblems

These things don't have that kind of a clutch that can slip. If your shifter cable is adjusted properly and it won't stay in gear, you have a chipped forward gear and/or ring gear. And when a piece gets broken off it gets sent through the gears and does more damage along the way. To make matters worse, at some point in the early-mid 80's there was a design change in which the parts from the later year lower units won't fit inside the older case, making locating parts affordably much more difficult. That was the case for me so I decided to just replace the entire lower unit with another one.
 
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