85 force compression

bayliner33

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hi i'm in the middle of getting an 86' 85force motor to run it has sat for years, guy said it was run last year. I have got it to start once it did back fire a couple of times before starting but not while running. Imwaiting on carb kits soon as I figure out where to get them. But my question is the compression in each cylinder while cold is 122. this is with the carbs removed. will this engine need to be reringed or is 122 going to be sufficient. I believe the compression should be around 130-140 in each cylinder. one other question is there supposed to be a temp gauge on dash there was not on there when I bought it, or is the temp sensor a safety switch when it gets to hot it just shuts off. thanks for any insight, steve
 
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Re: 85 force compression

Find your model and serial number first, when you remove your cowl look to the base of the inside lower cowling in front of the carbs and air intake. There you should find a metal plate with the numbers stamped into it.Now use the parts index here at i.boats or marineengine.com to find your engine and get your carb rebuild kits then find yourself a decent manual, factory if possible check ebay. If no luck use the Clymer version over Seloc's.

What I've learned here from the vastly knowledgeable collective is that compression should always be close to even or at least within 5%-10% of one another...

The gauges used and there accuracy can vary widely based on build quality as well so don't fret to much at this point...

My Clymer manual states that compression should be tested with the spark plug wires properly grounded to protect the CD ignition system and with the control in neutral and the throttle fully open(your control either pulls out or you depress the button in order to advance the throttle while in neutral) but I'm sure you know this already.

Being that your carbs are not installed you may not be getting a completely accurate reading but i cannot say for certain as i have not performed this test without them. Someone will be certain to let us know if this can cause false readings.

From what I've been told removing all the spark plugs helps ease the labor of the starter motor, this can only make sense. also try adding a few tablespoons of 2-cycle to each cylinder via the spark plug opening before threading in your gauge.

If your compression increases greatly after adding oil you may have a stuck ring(s) but as you've stated they are all around 122 psi this doesn't sound as though its an issue, as previously stated being "even" is paramount.

Compression readings are most accurately recorded when the powerhead has reached optimal operating temp. As your not yet up and running but will be soon, we will disregard that step as it doesn't currently apply... Get your carbs done and dialed in, maybe rebuild your fuel pump while your at it and replace all lines then check to make sure your ignition system is working as it should. your results will differ after running to correct temp.

You will find that having someone help you with the cranking of the engine ease's this procedure just be aware of the danger zones and communicate loudly to one another to avoid any confusion/misunderstanding.

As for the temp gauge force engines in your year range generally used a buzzer mounted under the dash or in the mercury control box to warn of overheating... there is a thread on testing the system.

For added piece of mind you can always install a tell tale (i.e. the pee stream) for visual proof that the impeller/waterpump is functioning by removing the plug screw from the thermostat housing at the top of the cylinder head and installing a brass barb fitting, some hose and drilling a small hole through the lower cowling. You can search here for great references on how some members did this.

Hey jerryjerry look ^^^^^^^^^ paragraphs :) "I have learned so much from you Obi won"
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: 85 force compression

Welcome Bayliner33
Good job May!!
The comp being it's all at 122 is good.With a different guage you might get 145-160# again depending on the guage.
It's all good cause it's all even across all 3.
Different guages, give different readings.
The carbs being on or off makes no difference.
My motors read 145# hot or cold.
Plugs out.
You don't need to ground out the plug wires if you jump it at the solenoid.
Only ground out if using the key.
Temp sender,it should open or close which ever you choose? At 160-170
It won't automatiacly shut down.That would be extremly dangerous if it did.
To test it?The key on. Then ground out the orange sender lead and a buzzer under the dash should sound.
 

bayliner33

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Re: 85 force compression

well I looked inside of the cowl did not find any plate there is a spot where a plate looked like it was bolted to but it is removed. I tried to take some pics, hopefully it works. there is a sticker out side of the motor that has a serial#2057
and a model# 856x78 it also lists the min and max rpms. this sticker is located on the motor mount connected to the transom. The top carb # we9-1 / 631061 / 11/86 the middle and lower carb # we18-2 / 632061-1 / 11/86. I do plan on replacing the fuel filter, spark plug's, and rebuilding the fuel pump, wich i'm guessing is located behind the fuel filter, will definitely have to purchase a manual. thank's for the info, steve
 

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Re: 85 force compression

I think I have figured this out. haha keep forgetting the random q
 

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jerryjerry05

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You sure the # is right? The last letter an 8 or an A. Picture of the cowl?
The 86 was a white motor.
The 856X7 is probably 87? Is the last # an 8 or an A?
The #s on the carb don't really help.
Your serial# will get you the right parts.
 

bayliner33

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I stand corrected the model # is 856x7b, my eyes aren't what they used to be.no I did not take a pic of the cowl, if you would like me to, I can.
 

bayliner33

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well now that I got the #'s figured out thank's to jerry, may, the carb kit's are orderd from the local dealer at 28.00 a kit x's 3, I asked the guy if the mounting gaskets, and noise reducer gasket's are included, to his surprise and mine they are not. they will be in on Monday was hopeing to get them before the weekend. well will see how it runs with carbs rebuilt, will get plugs, and fuel pump kit later going to have to cut some more trees down on the weekend for boat money.lol
 

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BEFORE!!!! you open the carb kits.
Once they are open??? You own them.
Dismantle one of the carbs and compare the new pieces to the old.
If the new floats are white plastic,send the C R A P back!!!
Most times the carbs only need a bowl gasket and a good cleaning.
Make sure the passages and TINY holes are clear???
I use Dawn or Purple Power.Then blow dry and no WD.
In severe cases,you might need a spray carb cleaner.
I just fixed a generator, the carb was real nasty,(sat for 5 years) I had to use a carb cleaner and then Dawn.
Started on the first pull.
 

bayliner33

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that's funny I already cleaned the carb's with purple power, used it on carb's for a long time, and washed it in the kitchen sink with hot water dawn, wife loves it when I do that, I run air and wire through all holes. I do not know what co. the kit's are from but if they are plastic I can just use the stock ones, they do not leak already checked them. thank's for the head's up. I have never seen plastic floats before really getting cheap.
 

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I think the plastic floats will work in some applications(I haven't found any)?
 
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