85Hp Force

[confuzed1134]

hey guys im new to the site so any help would be greatly appreciated. This is my first boat and although ive been through alot with it already, I stumbled onto some more problems. Its an 86 Bayliner Capri Cuddy. I had the boat up and running beautifully last spring but the boeys on the lake were shifted. I was going almost full throttle but the water was more shallow then expected and the motor hit and lifted out of the water and possibly hit the fuel line. I immediately put it in neutral and turned off the motor to check if everything was alright. Luckily for me the prop and the whole lower end of the motor seemed to be fine. I started the motor back up and it seemed to be fine and we arrived to our destination and all seemed well. The next day I took the boat out but i could smell fuel. I wasnt sure if the impact of the motor poppin up and hitting may have damaged anything or if there is just a hole in my fuel line. My little brother went to take the boat out at the end of the season last year and said he had got it started in the driveway with the ear muffs, but as soon as he put in in the lake it wouldnt turn over. He said that when he squeezed the bulb it wouldnt get hard. This spring i plan to do whatever it takes for me to go fishing again and be a little more responsible with it. Do you guys think that something is really damaged or that I might just have pierced a hole in the fuel line and thats the reason for the strong gas smell. I also notice some fuel squirting out of the middle hole on the carb on idle but im not sure if it did it before the accident. Im not sure if thats normal but im guessing no. Any help would be greatly appreciated on what you guys think it might be and what i should do about it. Thanx in advance its a learning experience for me. I inherited the boat from a death in the family so i really want to maintain it ive been on it since I was a kid.

 

[bman1bpm]

Re: 85Hp Force

sounds like the needle valve in your carb is stuck open, that would cause fuel to leak and will also make it so the bulb won't get hard. Take off the fuel bowl on the affected carb and check the operation of the needle, make sure your float is adjusted right and not filling with fuel.

also you could check the fuel line to make sure you didn't put a hole in it. You'd probably notice fuel all over though.

 

[confuzed1134]

Re: 85Hp Force

see what i dont get is why it would just affect the middle carb only. The other holes are sealed and there are no fuel leaks from those, even the one thats located lower. Im just getting a little squirtage from the middle one. Im not sure if its because the engines flooded or what. Im gunna play with it in the spring, cuz the boats all put away for the winter. I was just wondering what i was lookin at getting into. I took apart the starter one time and had to put that back together and that was a pain, but def a learning experience. Should i buy anything aside from a new fuel line just in case? The boat is located at my vacation home. There really arent to many places to get parts up over there either. It would be alot easier to get them now beacause when i go there i dont want anything to stand in my way. I appreciate the advise though, Im only 22 Im still learnin.

 

[confuzed1134]

Re: 85Hp Force

hey I was gunna invest in a carb kit for the spring and i wanted to know which kit I needed for a 85hp force outboard. On I boats.com they have a few setups and i don't know which part number I need for my motor. Also im having a feeling its the inlet needle or the floats. I was wondering how hard a job this is gunna be as well as the part number for the kit? thanks in advance

 

[bman1bpm]

Re: 85Hp Force

it might have just been by chance, maybe it sucked some junk into the carb, or it got fouled up between when you used the boat and your brother did, either way its been sitting a year. Its also possible that the motor got rattled real good with the impact and the float got jammed on the middle carb, why just the middle? I don't know. sh** happens.


did you properly winterize the motor? If not you should rebuild all 3 carbs. Theres a buncha posts on here on how to do it. Its easy to do. I'm 24 so you're not the only young person on here.

Change your fuel pumps too just cause they're probably old, they're cheap, and its easy. A bad fuel pump will cause the bulb to remain soft. Install an inline fuel filter if you don't have one already.

The carb kit part number will depend on the year of your motor. Order the parts and do the work now, that way you're not rushed. Do one carb at a time, remove carb, rebuild, reinstall, take off next carb. Don't mess with any of the throttle linkages try and keep them all the same adjustment they are now. Take pictures so you know how things were before you started taking them apart.

 

[roadrunnr]

Re: 85Hp Force

Inline fuel filter that that bman mentioned should be installed betweeen the fuel pump and carbs to filter out any crud coming from a disintergrating fuel pump.

 

[confuzed1134]

Re: 85Hp Force

yea already have a fuel filter. I have had fuel problems in the past, I learned quick. I have even put a filter in my funnel before i pour my fuel/oil mixture into the tank just to be safe. I had a dog in the past and magically dog hair would end up in there. The boat has been winterized properly (thankgod lol). Im pretty sure its 88 Bayliner Capri Cuddy. Im going to have to look for the owners manuel just to be sure. Alot of things have been replaced on this motor in the past, so mechanically its not in bad shape aside from my little issue. I remember last season after the engine bumped, the middle carb was squirting while the engine was down on idle and from reading alot of these forums, it sounds like thats a sign to rebuild the carb. I was hoping it was just the needle or the float because that sounded easier to do. The only thing that scares me in rebuilding is that the idle screw gets turned or the timing gets weird because of my smart idea and no fishing at all for me. I guess im gunna have to be careful with it. I have been reading alot though and i guess if im gunna do this i might as well get some seafoam while im at it and clean the carbs up while im at it. Do you have a link to tell me how to rebuild this thing, it being my first attempt at this.

My other problem is that my bilge pump stopped working. It runs because i can hear it run when i flip the switch but it doesn't spit water out the side of the boat like it used to. The tubes look clear and not clogged. I ended up buying new one to replace the old one but its hard to squeeze under that spot in the back of the 88 bayliner to wire in the new one. Any ideas to make this job a little easier? Do i just need to get skinnier lol?

Sorry for the newb questions but this is how I learn and I really appreciate the help. Thanks again fellaz.

 

[bman1bpm]

Re: 85Hp Force

If you don't have a manual for the motor, now is your time to go buy one, its got instructions for just about everything, Including how to make sure your carbs are synched up. I've got a clymer manual, its good enough for me.

To properly clean you're gonna have to take the idle screw all the way out. But before you do that, screw it in till its seated, carefully count the number of turns it took to seat, that way you know where to put it back to. Get a spray can of carb cleaner, and spray it through every hole in the carb.

As for the bilge pump, buy one the same brand that you're taking out and your replacement will be easier, as for squeezing in a tight spot I dunno, I find my self in all kinds of awkward positions when I'm working on my boat. If anyone knows how to avoid that I'm open to suggestions as well haha.

 

[bman1bpm]

Re: 85Hp Force

oh yeah, wear gloves with the carb cleaner, I do everything over a coffee can to catch the cleaner, then I soak all the parts I removed(except the float! don't spray clean on the float) in the cleaner in the bottom of the can.

 

[confuzed1134]

Re: 85Hp Force

thanx alot man your advise helped a million and i looked on youtube on how to rebuild the carbs i found like 3 different sources which was great cuz now i know exactly what im lookin for and exactly what I need to do. It doesn't look too bad and im feeling pretty confident. The idle screw is the only thing that worries me a little because on my Force motor i have 3 different carbs. Im gunna take ur advise and count down how far to turn each screw to set it back, but how will I know when I got it just right, just by sound or what? Will the motor still turn over if they are off a little? Im def gunna have to get a book just to know what its suppose to be. Youtube is great though i learned how to change my own
gear oil/waterpump/ change my prop (which i need to do)/ and basically everything else I need to maintain my outboard

Last question for ya since i feel like im harassin your life. When changing my prop do I need to buy a special tool? In the video i watched the guy just put a piece of wood on top of the prop so it couldnt spin and seemed to loosin it with a socket wrench. I mean if that works sweet but i remember there being a golden nut on the end my prop and im jus not sure if I need a special tool to get it off and if I do, do you know which 1? and with gearoil when I change it what type of gearoil do i buy for the 85hp force? I dont know if my marina changed it before my boat got winterized chances are they did but just in case.

 

[bman1bpm]

Re: 85Hp Force

It'll start fine if its off a little bit. Sound will change, but also RPMs at idle will change, the bayliner has a tach right? I've never tuned the triple carb system, and I"m not going to claim to be anywhere near an expert on the twin carbs lol. The manual has very detailed instructions on how to do it though. Iboats sells them, amazon is a good source too. I've got a clymer manual.
I don't mind answering questions, I do it to kill time when I should be doing more important things but I'm not haha.
I didn't need any special tools to remove my prop, I Just pulled the cotter pin and put a socket on the big nut and removed it.
I'm not sure which oil to use in your motor..depending on the year its either a chrysler or a mercury lower unit. The service manual will say what type of lube you're suppsed to use. I Think they only sell two different weights 80w90 and 75w90. Get the manual and follow the procedure for filling. They chrysler lower units are different than most others. Next year don't pay the marina to winterize, theres good instructions on here, and its easy!

 

[happykiforever]

Re: 85Hp Force

Call bayliner customer service for free manual book. Here the phone number
1-360-435-5571
I hope you will enjoy boating.
Good luck