'88 Evinrude 110hp help!!! TONS of questions.

MattyL13

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SOOOO newbie here. I picked up a free Ebbtide Dynatrack a few years ago. I'm in the home stretch of a restoration. The motor runs well except the warning alarm goes off after about 1 or two minutes running on the muffs.

First of all, it's an'88 Evinrude V4 110hp (thanks Cofe) ......the boat was bought new in 1989 ish, was used about 7 or 8 times the first season, then parked outside, uncovered in a corn feild for the next 20 years. It never ran after that until I brought it home, cleaned the carbs, replaced the power pack, and rewired most of the boat (stupid mice...) It runs really well now surprisingly. I didn't check the compression yet but it purrs right along. What should the compression be on this motor for each cylinder?

Model #: E110TLCCA (on top of disc) and R1813045 (on the bottom of disc).

Like I said before, the alarm starts to go off after a few minutes. I just hooked up the gas and oil tank this past weekend and had it running totally on it's own. Before I was just running mix right from a gas can. Part of my problem is that I have no idea if it's getting oil from the VRO system. I don't want to bypass this unless I have to. I did mark the oil level on the outside of the tank in hopes I'll see the level drop after a few times running. The exhaust is typical of a 2 stroke, smells oily and has the whitish-blue smoke coming out. This leads me to ASSUME, it's getting oil but I can't be certain. Is there an easy way to tell if the VRO is working as it's supposed to? If there's not an easy way, is there a hard way?

The second cause might be a water issue. I didn't replace the water pump/impeller yet and I'd rather not unless I HAVE TO. Do impellers go bad over time or do they wear out due to use? If I need to replace this, where is it located and how difficult of a job is it? I ran it today on the muffs again and let the alarm sound for a few minutes. I had water coming out from the exhaust and from the holes in the lower unit like it should, but had none from the pee spout. I disconnected the pisser spout and had water there, so my indicator tube is just blocked I think, I'll double check this later.

When it idled without the indicator tube hooked up, water was coming out of the motor (where it should feed into the indicator) and shooting in a arc about 2 or 3 feet past the motor. I didn't notice any increase in water pressure/distance when I ran it up to 2000 rpm. Then it sort of went to a trickle for a short time and I shut the motor off. I let it sit for a few minutes and started the engine again and had water consistently this time, but again, no increase in pressure at a higher rpm compared to idle. I also noticed that the left bank (looking at the back of the motor) was hotter than the right bank. I could hold my hand on the right bank indefinitely without getting burned but the left bank I could only hold for about 3 seconds or so before it was painful. So, do boat motors have thermostats or do I have a bad water pump and impeller or both? If there are t-stats, does this motor have just one, or is there one for each cylinder bank? Also, where are they located and how hard are they to replace (assuming this is the culprit)? I'm thinking that there might be one t-stat for each bank and the left side bank is stuck closed and not getting water.

Another problem: I noticed a small amount of gear oil leaking from behind the prop right at the output shaft. I would assume there's a seal in there and it's bad. I only noticed this last weekend when I put the boat in gear and let it run for about 3 minutes around 1500 rpm. Is this seal easily replaced or do I have to tear the whole lower unit apart?

So to sum up my million questions:
- How can I check the VRO system to see if it's working?
- What's the deal with the water pump/impeller on a boat motor? How do they work specifically?
- Where is the water pump/impeller located and how hard is it to change it?
- What's the deal with thermostats? Do I have 1, 2 or none? If I do have them, how can I tell if they're stuck and where are they located? How difficult is to replace these?
- What's the deal with the prop seal?
- What should the compression be for each cylinder?
- What RPM do these motors typically cruise at and what do they MAX out at? I never had a boat with a tach on it before.....

Thanks in advance for all the help and sorry for the long post. I thought I'd roll all my questions into one post. I'm a fairly confident shade-tree mechanic and I would't hesitate to tackle just about any job on a motor. This is the first boat motor and first 2 stroke I've had to work on. The rest of my experience is with small block V8's and small gas engines......

Thanks again.
 

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E110TLCCA is 1988.
I would make a prority to get the factory service book.
www.outboardbooks.com
do the 100 hr service on it.
Get a complete water pump and install if you didn't do that yet.
Try not to run over idle on the hose, it has no load on it until its in the water.

Re-plumb the boat , the fill hose is way out of usefull date with todays ethanol fuel and install a water seperator on the feed line, that should keep you busy. :)
 

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The model number indicates this is a 1988 110 hp engine. Personally, I'd change both thermostats before taking it out. If you want to go boating after you replace the water pump, I'd suggest two things. Mark the existing oil level in the tank with a black magic marker. Add oil to the (main) fuel tank(s) at the ratio of 50 to 1. This way, you have the proper oil mix in the fuel. If the existing combination oil/fuel pump is also working, it will also mix oil with the fuel at 50 to 1. Basically, you will double oil for a while. After you run a tank or more of fuel through the engine, check the oil level on the tank. If it's going down, that shows the mixing pump is working, so you should be ok to discontinue adding oil to the main fuel tank-let the OMS pump do the mixing. It's not unusual for a small amount of black, tarry oil to come down the inside of the exhaust and drip out the lower unit. If the oil appears more clear, then it is probably leaking from the gearcase. You should drain and refill that gearcase anyway, so drain it out and visually check the oil. If it is clear, the gearcase probably won't need to be resealed. If you have a milky-looking oil inside, that's water and indicates you need to reseal the gearcase. If it's black, it is burned, perhaps from low oil and resulting high temps. I'd look for compression to be around 95-105 on that engine. That engine is factory rated to run 4500 to 5500 rpm. Current thinking is to run it at the upper end of the "normal" rpm range, or 5500. That particular engine has the special exhaust bubble on the back and will make good, reliable hp up to 5700. The ignition rev limiter kicks in at 5800.
 

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OK you talked me in to it. I'll be ordering the T-Stat replacement kit here on iBoats and I'll get the water pump repair kit as well. The problem is that the water pump replacement kit isn't listed for a 110 hp engine. I did find one that's listed for a V4 1982-1994 Sierra part #18-3392. I called iBoats and the guy said it probably won't work but he wasn't sure and couldn't really help me. Will this rebuild kit fit my engine?

Also, where can I find the T-stats and water pump assembly on this engine? I'm thinking the t-stats might be inside of that black metal bulb type thing right on the back of the engine. That looks as though it's a water jacket of some sort and doesn't seem too terrible to get at either. Do I need jsut the t-stats or should I get the entire kit with gaskets and all the other little parts? Thanks for bearing with me, I'm new to working on boat motors but I'm pumped to get thing in the water. I've got fish to catch and I can't do that in my shop
 

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cool, thanks for the link. That helped me figure out where the water pumps located. Looks fairly simple to replace that. I looked through a few diagrams and still can't find the t-stats. I read in a few other forums that they're a bi&$% to get at. If they are behind that bubble looking cover thing on teh back of the block, seems there might be an issue with the lower motor covering....is that the main problem with swapping the t-stats? Once that covers off, what's involved with it.

Also, does anyone have any tips for the water pump install to make it go easier?
 

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bought it, thanks man. I was looking earlier this evening and saw them as high as $95, lowest I could find was $75. I tried eBay earlier but didn't come up with much. Thanks for the info man. I owe ya a beer for that deal!!
 

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What a swoop MattyL13!!!! Heck I thought I got my manual for a steal at 32$

You may want to edit your post to show the real year and hp. There are many here that can help out with the right info, and welcome to iboats!:)
 

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The stat housing is just below the exhaust bubble on that engine. Yes, it is a bear to work on, due to limited access. Some folks loosen the lower cowling, then wiggle it around to gain some slight room-but not much on that VRO model. You will need a 1/4" drive socket kit with a flexible knuckle to work on that stat housing.
 

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once I get that bubble housing off, what will it look like in there? are the stats right there and easy to find or does half the motor need to be torn apart to get access? It doesn't look too terribly bad to work on as far as access goes. I've worked in tighter spaces......I think
 

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The OMC mechanics don't take the exhaust bubble off to do access the thermostat housing. They leave it in place and work around it. Just depends on what you are comfortable doing.
 

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Gotcha.I figgered it out now. I was looking at the wrong assembly diagram. Now Iknow where the stats actually are located. SOOO I went out and was tinkering a bit and pulled the water hoses off that go between the heads and the stat cover. I found that the hoses were completely dry and I just ran it yesterday on the muffs. I was assuming there'd be at least a little moisture in there, but it was bone dry. I also found some sort of crud build up right where the hoses connect. This crap isn;t inside of the water passage, just on the outside. The only stuff on the inside was a little corrosion or mineral build up. Looks like a typical 20 year old water pipe would look. It's almost likeit's some old sealant or something similar. Was sealant used where the hose connects to the heads? Also, how much pressure should I expect from an engines water pump? Are we talking like 5 psi or 65 psi?

Here's a few pics of what I found.
http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x356/mattyl131/
 

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Usually, those hoses don't need any sealant, just the clamp works fine. You will find that the engine may run 5-8 lbs water pressure at idle, depending on how new the impeller is. Could get up to over 17-19 lbs when running full speed. If you buy a water pressure gauge for the dash, get a 0-30 lbs gauge. All water goes through the stats when idling. Should idle between 143 and 155 degrees. When on plane, the thermostat pressure relief valves open, flooding the powerhead with extra water. You could see the powerhead temps actually go down significantly when on plane. (Depends on just how cold the lake water is.) The telltale hose is before the stats, so it measures pressure in the powerhead. It does not indicate that (the stats have opened and that coolant water is actually circulating in the block and) exiting the block by going down the exhaust tube.
 
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