'88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

Wingnutt

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I'm having a bit of a time sorting this one out. Like the title says, I have low RPMs at WOT. Engine is a 383 stroker making about 340hp in a Bayliner 2455 weighing about 3900lbs (counting 30 gallons of fuel, water, pax and "stuff"). RPMs are: 4200 with 18 pitch prop (4 blade), 4300 with 15 pitch prop (3 blade). I made a WOT pass with the 18 pitch prop, then stopped and changed it to the 15 pitch prop. Same load, same conditions, and the runs were made about 15 minutes apart. Since I should have picked up at LEAST 800 RPMs, I'm scratching my head on this one since according to the manual, the stock 210hp 5.0 is supposed to spin between 4400-4800RPMs with a 15 pitch 3 blade prop.

So far what has been checked: tach checked and is good, boat weight...about right (4900lbs on an aluminum trailer), clean bottom (trailer boat), new distributor with 10 hours on it...initial timing set @ 8*, total advance is 32* @3500rpm, the carb (Rochester) has had a recent rebuild and has been rechecked three weeks ago...OK there, secondaries appear to be opening fully, secondary demand butterflys are opening, fuel pick up is clear, anti-siphon is free, 3/8 fuel line (steel) from tank to carb is clear, fuel vent is open, new manifolds and risers (less than 40 hrs use), no hot spots on engine or manifolds, flame arrestor cleaned, and the plugs are showing a slightly rich mixture, darker than a light tan, but not black.

The only think else that I can think of (and that has NOT been checked) is that the flappers have deteriated away and have fallen off the pins down into the "Y" pipe partially blocking the exhaust. I talked to the PO and he did NOT check the flappers when he put the new engine in. Soooooo I'm thinking that they have never been checked. However, I am not seeing the classic symptoms of a partially clogged exhaust such as hot manifolds and risers, melted exhaust hoses or a loud hissing noise. But the symptoms that I am seeing are a slightly rich fuel/air mixture (since the carb is jetted for the original 305 I should be seeing a lean condition when I pull the plugs which I am not) and not reaching max RPMs at WOT.

Anybody have any other ideas?
 
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Wingnutt

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

Bond-o,

The temp gage stays glued to 140*. IR thermostat also confirms this. This is why I am thinking that it's an air flow problem and the rich mixture color on the plugs says so too. Something is restricting the flow, either on the intake or exhaust side. As soon as this rain moves out this weekend, I'm going to pull the risers and hoses so I can inspect the flappers.
 

Howard Sterndrive

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

any improvement with the flame arrester removed? hatches open?

I wonder if the stock Y pipe is designed for 300+ HP... maybe need through hulls....
 

Wingnutt

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

It's still pouring here, and the weather forecast if for more through Thursday. Looks like I'll be spending Saturday in the bilge.
 

Wingnutt

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

Update,

Well I pulled the risers today and as I expected, the flappers were MIA, then off came the lower unit to check for missing flappers?nothing to be found. The problem now (aside from where did they go?) seems to be isolated to the intake side. Or potentially much more expensive mechanical problems since there were no flappers in place to stop any backwash from entering the engine. As soon as the river cleans up some, I guess I?ll pull the flame arrestor off and make a WOT pass. Also, I?ll ensure that the secondary air demand butterflies are opening fully. BTW, according to a couple of on line calculators that I found, a 383 spinning at 5500 RPMs only needs 548 CFM of air.
 

Wingnutt

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

Final update.

Pulled the carb again and found that the secondaries were only opening about 80% and that the secondaries demand butterflys were set way to tight. I had to cut the actuator link to the secondaries and braze a piece in to make them open 100%. then played with the adjustment for the demand butterflys. This was tricky because the only way to get them to fully open was to have a slight bog as they opened. One click the other way and they would only open about 75%.

First run was without the flame arrestor and with the bilge hatch open. 5200 RPM swinging an 18 pitch prop!!!:D:D:D:D:D The second run was made with the factory flame assestor...4400 RPM :rolleyes: Ok we know where the problem is now. The last run was made with everything in place, again 4400 RPM. Well looks like it's time for the K&N flame arrestor!

The only disappointing area was the speed. Measured by GPS, I could only just barely touch 38 mph fully trimmed out. With 24 gallons of fuel, no potable water and about 5 gallons of black water on board, you would have thought that the top speed would have been at least 40 mph.

Now on to sanding and polishing that last 15' of the port side....
 

Don S

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Re: '88 OMC low RPMs at WOT

Have you tried cleaning your old flame arrestor, or is it one of those bent up messes. Like an air filter, they do get clogged up. Especially if you have rusty pulleys that keeps eating your belts up.
 
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