jaydubya71
Cadet
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- Jul 17, 2018
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Hello everyone, first of all, sorry for the long story but I feel its important to give you all of the background info.
I am a NEWBIE when it comes to boats and outboards, however, I am mechanically inclined.
I purchased a 1985 Sunbird 17.5' bowrider with a 1992 Evinrude 90hp (E90TLEND) a few months ago. When I bought it from the previous owner, he started it up for me, it ran, went into gear, the whole nine yards. About a week later, put it in the water, it started up and we idled out of the dock, got about 15 minutes into our maiden voyage and the overheat alarm went off. At the time, I had no idea that this was an overheating alarm, and i fiddled with the key to get it to shut off. Within a minute or two it came back on and when i looked back the engine was smoking pretty fierce. We limped it back to the dock where it finally cut out on me.
After researching this issue, and educating myself on why my motor would overheat, i realized I never noticed if the telltale was peeing water when I started it. I hooked the muffs up and attempted to start the motor. It wouldn't start. I dropped the lower unit (had a hell of a time) and found the wp impeller curled up into a ball almost. Replaced the entire water pump housing, impeller, etc. Put the motor back together and tried to start the motor, wouldn't barely crank at all. Very slow.
Back to searching the forums..found that I need to clean all of the electrical connections to the battery, starter, and solenoid. Cleaned up all the connections real good and put back together. Still doing the same thing. Really slow to crank.
Neighbor suggested taking plugs out and try turning it over. Removed the plugs and it cranked like crazy. Put the plugs back in, did the same thing, barely cranked. Same neighbor then said that it might be the new water pump I installed. He seemed to think that the impeller may be too tall and was binding up motor. Told me to pull the plugs, put motor in gear and try to hand turn the prop, he said if it was really hard to turn , then it is the water pump. I have never done this on any outboard so i wasn't sure how to judge "really hard to turn". It seemed pretty difficult to turn and I could hear what sounded like rubber rubbing inside the lower unit. So i thought, well maybe I installed the pump incorrectly. So i pulled the lower unit and checked the water pump. I checked to be sure i installed it correctly, which i did, and i added a little marine grease to the impeller and stainless cup to add a little lubrication for the initial start up. Put it all back together and same results. Would barely turn the flywheel.
Did more searching on the forums and found that I need to test voltages and voltage drops on the battery, starter and solenoid. Had my battery tested. It tested out fine. Tested voltage drops and voltages at the starter and solenoid and determined (i think) that the starter was bad. Replaced the starter and charged my battery.
1st attempt at starting and it did 2 small turns on the flywheel and then 1 real good spin of the flywheel, engine ALMOST started but immediately cut off. Tried to start again, it did 2 little turns on the flywheel and that was about it. The battery lost all its juice. So i charged the battery back up, removed the plugs, and turned the flywheel by hand a few times. Still could hear the rubber rubbing in the lower unit but it seemed a little easier to turn. I had read somewhere on the forum that someone sprayed pb blaster into the cylinders, so i did that, hand turned the flywheel a few times put plugs back in and let it sit while the battery charged.
2nd attempt of starting, the starter turned the flywheel 2 little turns and then the engine started for a second and boom immediately died. Tried to start it a couple more times but battery ran out of cranking juice.
3rd attempt of starting, charged the battery once again and got same results. Each time, it seemed like the starter had a little easier time turning the flywheel. So i continued this process.
Prior to the 4th attempt, i was checking my control box and saw that the lever you pull up to open up the throttle only opened up the throttle a little bit. So i went to the motor and pushed the throttle all the way open. Tried to start the engine, it did the 2 little turns and wham! it started up with a huge roar, scared the hell out of me and I turned the key off. Tried to start it again and the battery was dead again. So i charged it up one more time, went thru the same steps, pushed the throttle all the way open, then i lowered the lever on the control box to about half-way, and attempted to start the motor. 2 little turns, and nothing.
This is so extremely frustrating and I am hoping you wonderful folks will have some insight for me.
Even though I had the battery tested and its supposedly fine, could the battery be the problem?
Did i overheat the engine too much and mess up the power head or the cylinders?
Could it be the WP impeller?
Thank you ahead to anyone who takes the time to read this and offer suggestions,
Jeremy
I am a NEWBIE when it comes to boats and outboards, however, I am mechanically inclined.
I purchased a 1985 Sunbird 17.5' bowrider with a 1992 Evinrude 90hp (E90TLEND) a few months ago. When I bought it from the previous owner, he started it up for me, it ran, went into gear, the whole nine yards. About a week later, put it in the water, it started up and we idled out of the dock, got about 15 minutes into our maiden voyage and the overheat alarm went off. At the time, I had no idea that this was an overheating alarm, and i fiddled with the key to get it to shut off. Within a minute or two it came back on and when i looked back the engine was smoking pretty fierce. We limped it back to the dock where it finally cut out on me.
After researching this issue, and educating myself on why my motor would overheat, i realized I never noticed if the telltale was peeing water when I started it. I hooked the muffs up and attempted to start the motor. It wouldn't start. I dropped the lower unit (had a hell of a time) and found the wp impeller curled up into a ball almost. Replaced the entire water pump housing, impeller, etc. Put the motor back together and tried to start the motor, wouldn't barely crank at all. Very slow.
Back to searching the forums..found that I need to clean all of the electrical connections to the battery, starter, and solenoid. Cleaned up all the connections real good and put back together. Still doing the same thing. Really slow to crank.
Neighbor suggested taking plugs out and try turning it over. Removed the plugs and it cranked like crazy. Put the plugs back in, did the same thing, barely cranked. Same neighbor then said that it might be the new water pump I installed. He seemed to think that the impeller may be too tall and was binding up motor. Told me to pull the plugs, put motor in gear and try to hand turn the prop, he said if it was really hard to turn , then it is the water pump. I have never done this on any outboard so i wasn't sure how to judge "really hard to turn". It seemed pretty difficult to turn and I could hear what sounded like rubber rubbing inside the lower unit. So i thought, well maybe I installed the pump incorrectly. So i pulled the lower unit and checked the water pump. I checked to be sure i installed it correctly, which i did, and i added a little marine grease to the impeller and stainless cup to add a little lubrication for the initial start up. Put it all back together and same results. Would barely turn the flywheel.
Did more searching on the forums and found that I need to test voltages and voltage drops on the battery, starter and solenoid. Had my battery tested. It tested out fine. Tested voltage drops and voltages at the starter and solenoid and determined (i think) that the starter was bad. Replaced the starter and charged my battery.
1st attempt at starting and it did 2 small turns on the flywheel and then 1 real good spin of the flywheel, engine ALMOST started but immediately cut off. Tried to start again, it did 2 little turns on the flywheel and that was about it. The battery lost all its juice. So i charged the battery back up, removed the plugs, and turned the flywheel by hand a few times. Still could hear the rubber rubbing in the lower unit but it seemed a little easier to turn. I had read somewhere on the forum that someone sprayed pb blaster into the cylinders, so i did that, hand turned the flywheel a few times put plugs back in and let it sit while the battery charged.
2nd attempt of starting, the starter turned the flywheel 2 little turns and then the engine started for a second and boom immediately died. Tried to start it a couple more times but battery ran out of cranking juice.
3rd attempt of starting, charged the battery once again and got same results. Each time, it seemed like the starter had a little easier time turning the flywheel. So i continued this process.
Prior to the 4th attempt, i was checking my control box and saw that the lever you pull up to open up the throttle only opened up the throttle a little bit. So i went to the motor and pushed the throttle all the way open. Tried to start the engine, it did the 2 little turns and wham! it started up with a huge roar, scared the hell out of me and I turned the key off. Tried to start it again and the battery was dead again. So i charged it up one more time, went thru the same steps, pushed the throttle all the way open, then i lowered the lever on the control box to about half-way, and attempted to start the motor. 2 little turns, and nothing.
This is so extremely frustrating and I am hoping you wonderful folks will have some insight for me.
Even though I had the battery tested and its supposedly fine, could the battery be the problem?
Did i overheat the engine too much and mess up the power head or the cylinders?
Could it be the WP impeller?
Thank you ahead to anyone who takes the time to read this and offer suggestions,
Jeremy
however i did notice this morning when i briefly looked at the battery for CCA rating, that the pos battery cable is exposed slightly where it is connected to the connector that attaches to the battery and the copper looks old and possibly corroded.