95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

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Has anybody posted a photo-guide of servicing the Gimbel Bearing, , out drive removal Etc.? Have the manual but photos are, for lack of a better word; scrappy.. be nice to see it all in living color..
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

The removal is easy, the SX is a little heavy, buy some 2x4's and 4 casters, if you cant lower your drive all the way down on the trailer (i can't) put a floor jack under the tongue, stow the trailer jack and lower the front of the trailer to the ground. That will raise the back...

build the dolly so it sits the drive level. Remove the rams, 6 mounting bolts, shift cable clamp and slid it off... Once the dolly was built the removal took 15 min...

The manual shows that you need a 3 jaw ID slid hammer, for the bearing and seal, and a bushing installer kit for install. Then you need to align the bearing, I'm going to use the output shaft when i change the u-joints as an alignment tool, and hope it works.

Are you changing the u-joints? I found these http://www.actionmachineinc.com/7260seriesnongreasableu-joint.aspx cheap, better than 45$ from the oem.

Tool i think i'll buy http://www.amazon.com/Alignment-Gimbal-Bellow-Mercury-Mariner/dp/B005CWL0YG

Hey did you remove the engine to replace the outer transom assembly?

post up how it went so i have an idea what i'm in for when i get back in country.
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

Yeah,, thanks bigike, Just about what I needed to get started,, mine is a little different, piviot rod is bolted verses snap ring.. I opted to make a plywood stand like Don's. Smaller and less permanent. an cheep


Pivot rod? I guess mine hasn't been out for some time. It's stuck.

Whacked on it with decent rubber mallet and it ain't moving..

Sprayed it, soaking [maybe] fingers crossed..

Anybody got a system for getting the pivot rod out?

I don-no mixed metals, My shift cable, "cube" brass, completely froze on the rod,,Although ya would not have guessed it, as there was hardly a spot with any crorsion. Regardless undoubtitly croaded threads weilding the cables threds to the cube's. Tough removal, it twisted that rod and snapped it. of course as luck would have it,, at the edge of the cube,, so that's waisted. . Fortunately I'm already putting new cable on. ought to have been stainless steel.

The piviod rod bolts on mine are nickle plated brass.. they feel like, after twisting em off,, like they don't 'love' being reused,, have not 'liked, being attached to stainless steel,, same as that 'cube' although,, ya know, once the brass is set it'll lock those nuts, keep from vibrating off, so,, stainless or brass, what's better here?

Anyways i hope that pivot rod has a sleeve separating it from the case? .

If I can get that rod out..
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

Trying now to get the front rod out, which is surprizingly moveable.. and with it lose almost pulled out of one side, Both cause me too wonder why they didn't put a couple of greese zerts in the case with groves across that rod.. or zerts on the ram's ends. Something to keep them from freezeing onto the rod..

Regardless, I see that they are useing plastic/vinyl bushings to allow those rams to piviot on the rod.. So, the rod does not freeze those rams on the piviot rod? LOL,, right.. not,, although the tilt and trim are working efectively,, obviously this has been putting undo pressure on the pump. I've managed to work one side of the port ram lose enough where It'll come off now. But,, even with the front piviot rod removed and,, now I can move the front side of the ram up and down a little bit,, on the super stuck one, those plastic sleeves ain't wanting to let go..
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

Salt, enemy of metal and vinyl.. a sailor's battle for thousands of years. .. I've pulled off one ram, and now,, can see what the hold up is.. Why don't people do in the least pay attention when they are told to wash off after playing in salt water?/

So, in-between the pivot ends of the ram are two vinyl or plastic sleeves.. it appears as if Volvo/OMC greased these when installing em..., But,, I guess especaily as that grease works out a tad through time and usage, the vacant grease alows space so, they still suck up water, and salt water leaves salt behind which form into hard crystals. And or, the salt forces the grease out as it crystalizes. And then that Grease becomes the host or shell which holds the salt in a hard state.. .. it's those crystals which are preventing me from Smacking,, wiggling, and I mean I';ve SMACKED them with some heavy rubber, HARD, to get that ram off of the pivot rod..

I've also had someone move that ram up and down while smacking it HARD.. and yet,, no go,, I am wondering now, whether the lube spray I've been pouring on the exterior,, that is,, Oil does not dissolve salt rather coats it.. and if so,, simply soaking those in water, to help desolve some salt, before taking em off, would have been the trick..??
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

OMG! I did it!!, lol to bad I can't give yawl a photo to show it..

But try to describe.. I was also using a 16 inch long, 3/4" wooden dowel to allow me to smack the ram end HARD!!,, it was loosing slivers off of the end I was hitting,, which cracked off almost half of this 3/4 dowel's end. so the dowels end was becoming half round for a few inches . just enough where I could slide it in-between the Ram's Steel rod and the case without damaging it,,,, sort of a last chance effort,, trying to wedge it off,, not the first time either,, without damaging the paint or marring the ram's steel rod,,... OK i do have a few small paint chips on it now but,,

anyways as i said I could move the front of the ram up and down a little,, the wedging now also moved it up and down a little, which with that pressure, got it to move, and a little working it,, we got,, that dang thing off!!..


I am actually surprized the wedgeing worked, especially with wood.. Because, by useing this dowel,, it enabled me to smack that dowel on the ram end, not damage the case, and hit that puppy with a SLEDGE HAMMER!!

I've no substantial damage from this, if any, in fact caused more chipping of the paint with my rubber mallet,, then with that wooden dowel. Point being,, I HIT that ram end HARD and it didn't move. I also took my mallet, placed it on the ram end, and SMACKED that mallet with my sledge hammer,, HARD!! verses what little force or strength the dowel has when wedging..

sure enough,, solid white crystals residing inside of those vinyl sleeves..
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

So, with the Rams out of the way.. Tied up from both ends, hanging off of 5 winns transom U brackets,, convenient as these look like tow brackets but 4 Winn's says don't think about it..

But hanging off of both ends because I do not want to change the angles of the rubber hydraulic fluid tubes. especially that their ends are steel,, this area is the most susceptible to breakage. While the rubber appears to be in very good condition, no need to cause resistance in it because; the angles it's been sitting in by now, will be permanent, 'Fixed' Bending it in angels it has not been in for so long, will add stress to its future support, possibly create a microscopic crack where otherwise it should be presumed hardened even in the slightest degree..


U-Join inspection, Pass, A: Not new tight but zero slop, grease wet, absolutely no irregular movement. Evidence of previous service as the zerts retain residual grease from its last maintenance.

Gimbel Bearing, Fail: while it is tight, there is substantial grease surrounding it which is fairly freash..

However, the shaft is dry and shows heat,, a rub burn on one half in the spot that it contacts the bearing..

That's a guarantied fail in my book, no matter if, the bearing rollers are tight inside of their housing or not.. and says; very good possibility the out drive is out of alignment.. If I could match that rub burn on the shaft into the bearing,, where ever the Bering shows the driest spot,, could, tune the alignment dead on target.. but that never happens,, lol.. by the time that bearing can be examined,, it'll be covered in grease..


What got me into this mess?? Got took by a con artist, who proclaimed [In print]
Engine and out drive "Excellent condition".

long story short, while it was his personal boat, 1 month later I learned he 1. owns and runs a auto fix-up shop, 2. sells cars 'Pay by the Week', a half of a block from his 'fix-up' shop..

The boat was capable of water test,, however, Myself not familiar with out drives,, but I heard a noise I didn't like when bought it. The ignorance of thinking "a noise that seemed to be limited to one area,, couldn't be too bad if it's running."

He'd mentioned that the prop was relatively new, because the old broke.. That would have been the sign for an experienced boater.. and obviously why that unit is most likely out of alignment,, (I never dreamed of such a thing before, lol)

He also said "I am Not a boat mechanic" a few times..,, claiming as if he did not do repairs.. however the prop-shaft was terribly bent, and the spline was twisted.. Even his little Fix-it-shop knew this as the forced that new shaft into the twisted splin..

Whelp that was the killer because he continued to claim it was a year ago, and he'd taken it to the lake several times since..

yada yada yada bla, bla bla,,..

anyways,, Yes i had the lower unit rebuilt,, and now chasing down that Gimbel noise,, hopefully,, the upper unit's bearings are not damaged too..

Gonna have to do some investigating,, could use any tips about what visual inspection to do to the upper unit, while the out-drive is off..

Fear?/ yup.. once he bent that prop-shaft, stuck another prop on it,, this is my first boat mach experience but I know gears and auto mechanics, none professionally,. Stuck that prob and played in the water again,, the vibration going through the whole mechanical system,, could go right strait to the crankshaft's bearings..

At least that U-joint is happy,, soo, and but,, everything before it is still subject to fail..



Tip for inspecting the upper unit for vibrations which could be hurting the upper unit's bearings and or shaft would be very helpful at this point..
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

Moving on,, couple of points I am unsure about..

First, while I haven't taken the gimbal bearing out yet.. it's the Gimbal-U-Joint- Yoke, shaft that's got me bothered..

At the shaft's surface area where the bearing rides, there's a burned rub area,, just less than half around the shaft..

Then there's the O ring,, a surface area for where the seal lays.. another O ring,, and then the odd spot..

This is also a polished area on the shaft,, but,, there's an equal burn rub, on the opposite side of that burn/rub where the gimbal bearing is..

I.E. clock wise,, the gimbal bearing area on the shaft,, burn rub runs from 6 O'clock to 12 O'clock

And past the two O rings,, the next polished area on the shaft,, the burn/ rub area,, on the opposite side,, would be from 12 O'clock to 6 O'clock..



I believe it's telling me that the engine and outdrive are out of alignment.

But!,, there's no bearing behind the seal..

What the heck is rubbing on that shaft, behind the seal??

Looking at engine diagrams there's a Clutch/coupling.. is there a bearing inside of this? or, possibly if the alignment is out,, it's making it rub,, in this area?


Next.. I accidentally discovered that a lot of boat machs,, don't pull the whole gimbal bearing out.. it's two pieces to the assembly,, outer ring, and inner race,, bearings..

And if You do not need to replace the outer ring,, the inner bearings comes out eazy sleazy,, with a screw driver.. I .E. don't need to run out and buy or rent the bearing puller..

is this a go??
good or bad idea??
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

You want to replace the whole bearing and I would just skip replacing the seal behind the gimbal bearing. It doesn't do a whole lot.

As far as the discoloration, you should post a picture. There shouldn't be anything rubbing on it after the seal. The only other thing back there is the coupler and that only touches the splines.

A previous poster mentioned using an output shaft for alignment. You don't want to do that.

When you are finally ready to install the bearing, throw it in the freezer overnight. It will help make the install a little easier.
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

As far as the discoloration said:
So, here's a couple photographs.. 3 sections, gimbal bearing,, seal, (between 2 O rings), and 3rd [wide] polished area.

in one picture you can see the copper/burn color on bearing section..

In next is copper/burn color on 3rd polished section.. Notice that: these copper color rub spots are opposite sides of each other.

That is,, 2 polished areas have this rub spot,, but as you should notice,, where the rub is on the bearing area photo , there's no rub on the 3rd area photo,, and visa versa..

Far as I can tell from the book,, there's nothing in the 3rd area to rub on,, save the coupler/clutch,, but it can't rub as it turns with the shaft. Not to leave out,, there's no reason to have this wide 3rd area polished more then a 1/4" or so...??

The surface areas of the 1st section and 3rd, are nearly identical,, in nearly every way,, same type of rub spots, and You can blow up these photos,, same direction of circular scratching , as if there's a bearing on that 3rd section too.. Finnaly after the 3rd section, there's a dark ring,, looks to be worn into the shaft,, I presume that's where the coupler touches it.
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

I think you are worrying about nothing there.
 

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Re: 95 OMC/Volvo-Penta, 5.0, SX cobra outdrive, Gimbel bearing service. Photo guide ?

Thanks Bruce,, but,, If you can explain why that shaft has the burn/rubs in section 1 AND 3 as photographed, I'd be less troubled.


Diagnostics is primary importance in the fixin of pin-pointing a bad noise.

Murphy and I made a deal over 30 years ago,, I fix it right and he wont break it.
 
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