96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

[89-conv]

Oh boy, I got myself a can of worms..

ignorantly bought a 19 footer and while i inspected everything i could imagine,, I failed to notice the little wobble in the prop, and 2 signs; newer prop, with new skag plate covering up what would be obvious..

I did notice a bit of noise in the drive, but figured at worse, a couple o gears?? or with luck ignorance on what it should sound like, as it's engine ran great, and gears clicked through sounding 'reasonable'..? Seller said it was quite in water, suggesting that after owning it for 4 years, it was nothing to worry about..


Well that prop is wobbling, to be sure.. he obviously hit something hard broke the previous prop, and I have not looked 'yet' at the actual skag, under his new plate covering it.. the 'noise' is emanating from it, a slight wobble, hardly noticeable to a novice.. and I can only imagine worse case scenario, as his "new prop has plenty scratches, and he said he ran it fine last month at a lake.. Meaning he drove this boat on a 'fun' adventure AFTER he broke the prop and skag.. not to leave out countless times running it to potential buyers..

On the good side, maybe,, taking a long screw driver, and listening to the rest of the drive,, things 'sound' smooth.. and I ain't getting close enough to the prop shaft to try and detect 'if' that's exactly where the irregular sound is coming from..


no oil leaks,, and very good paint condition..


And I can't identify the drive percisely..

Not at the sites listed here, both 4 winns, and Volvo penta..

all i can reference is year 96 and ratio, 1:66..
This is going to be a project for me as 1. I've never opened, an outdrive, although, I have rebuilt a few manual transmissions before.. .

I can only Hope, as I've read a few things here, that that's the whole of my current problems..

But, with that said my cash is low, and just the price 'retail' of the prop shaft, is gonna hirt..

So, can anybody steer me right,, Possible used, but STRAIGHT prop shaft?



are there cross reference files to locate the same shaft in other drives?? other dives that have different ratios but same parts?

are there cross references for lower dive unit compatibility?

or other out drives that are compatible for a complete switch..

Volvo penta asks for numbers and letters, I have no clue about,,

no reference I've seen yet, to just serial numbers and prod#'s I have..

Is there a down-loadable service manual?? cross reference book etc?? E-bay has people selling CD's of auto manuals, 5-10 bucks, but none I discovered on boats..

96 Cobra SX
Ratio 1:66
Prod# 3868389
Ser # T080167.

Volvo penta 5.0 8 cyl. (ford) 302

Thanks in advance for any help..

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Your serial number T080167 is an OMC number, not Volvo. Yours is the OMC version of that engine used during the Volvo/OMC joint venture.
There isn't any way to convert your serial number or even the product number to the model number.
IF you have the FULL model number (has a bunch of letters in it) it would help, then I could link you to the proper manuals for the Volvo version.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Wow ! thanks Don, I have been reading your input around here, on these for a few days,, .. .. abet have not been able to pin down what's me might need..

I presume you want my hull ID?

FWNMA959D696,

thanks to somebody else today in Winns board, I can figure out what most of my ID means,, but not how to cross it in Volvo penta ..

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

There should be a sticker on the engine, should have been the same place you found the serial number and product number. hull number doesn't help at all.
While your letters and numbers will be a bit different because this picture only goes to 93 models, it's still the same kind of numbering system. See picture below.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Ah oh,, Do ya have a clue as to where 4 Winns hides that??

also yeah, while the engine's air filter cover says Volvo penta sx cobra, and the out drive says the same, I just noticed that the valve cover says OMC cobra..

the previous owner for whatever reason did not like the original arrangement,, or the vinyl died, winns deluxe model SS, has a wrap around rear seat, of which originally parts of the rear seat, rear port and starboard, would be inside of the whole engine cover.. deluxe SS model. and no sign of an engine cover, kind of like an old covertible car, that might have had enough space to stick in a small rear seat.. Only on this model,, winns just covered the whole area, buring or hiding seating space at the aft of both sides around the engine. .. his modification if ya want to call it that, was to replace that whole big plywood cover, he said it was not treated, and when vinyl died, he just replaced that plywood cover with marine ply.. ..

not a whole one at least.. that's to say, this model did not have the standard boxed cover..

This guy took out the seating deck, (edit) "deck" is not deck right word,, the rear seating deck/platform is still there,, but the top seating platform,, has full padded seating, of which,, when placed on it's platform,, actually slips the port and starbord aft padded portion, into or under this big wide, engine cover.. ),, and all of the original platform, illustrats that, he didn't actually modify anything, save rebuilt the wide top engine cover,,.. picture would be better, but don't have the capibilities at the moment.

and then installed a whole new marine plywood, cover. I hope ya ain't gonna tell me that, this tag should be on the engine cover..

His modification, does match up to the original carpeted covering boards, which exstends across the whole of the inside width, verses haveing any type of standard boxed engine cover. and I have the old wrap around seat, but, not the original cover.

Otherwise I can not find any tag like that..

Is there a special hiding place? 'fingers crossed'

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

In boats, the engine has nothing to do with the boat. You have a 4winns but they buy either OMC, Volvo, or Mercruiser engines and drives. Completely seperate systems. The engine numbers are on the engine. You just have to look around on the engine to find the numbers.
You might also give 4winns a call with the hull ID number and see if they can give you the model numbers of the engine.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Oh MAN!!,, well I went to the valve cover, to get those sets of numbers, hoping that's what ya need,, there was a tad of black over spray on them.. and as more of an old time Mach,, I expected those tags should be under the plastic, or paint embossed numbers.. , ya want to know a seriously BAD IDEA??
I thought some type of paint remover would lift that over spray off.. especially carb cleaner..


WRONG!!!, Now my ID numbers on the valve cover look like somebody's stolen the engine,, wiped ALL of the numbers and white paint,, to an apparent aluminum base. off where I touch it..

Not all but,, there's three tags,, what is likely the ones ya want, is gone.. and man I hope the shore patrol doesn't get funky on me some day, cause it looks bad now..

Go ahead and laugh, you's guys, cause as ignorant as me is,, I can sure see the humor,,.. Especially, if ya could see how those serial numbers look now. like some idiot thief did a half butt job to lose em ,,..

[edit], and thanks for now Don, I sure appreciate your help round these here parts!!..

Obviously I'll be calling four winns tomorrow,,.. fingers crossed they've got the files still

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Volvo puts metal tags in the area shown by the arrow in the picture below. Not sure if OMC did or not, but it might be worth a look.
If you can't get in there to look, think digital camera.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Ah Ha!, just when i thought the game was over!!..,, like the rock ya are Don, comes through again,!!
tag was not there, but,, OMC put a tag on the top aft of the block.. [Please excuse my use of, port starboard, aft, etc language, as I'm trying to get me sea legs back again, 19 foot dingy or not.. lol]

Is this what ya need? 502APHUE

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Is this what ya need? 502APHUE

Bingo............
You have the HU model. 1995. Why I ask for model numbers and don't go by year of the boat.
http://www.4shared.com/dir/14518519/7686effe/HUsharing.html

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Beautifulll!!!!..

oh that's a sight for sore eyes!!..

However, I,, er ah did i mention that I've been sort of following ya for a while Don? I read ya post links like this a while back for another guy with the cobra sx drive.. I'd searched everything i could think of these past few days.. abet, I'd also read some of your input regarding other stuff for the past few months,, lurking,, finding tips before i bought a boat. his serial numbers or production, I foget, but darned close. on his drive, were just about 800 numbers off mine,, However, he'd asked if ya got to be a member of that download center to download the PDF's.. do ya??

 

[JaredT]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

I have an extra propshaft (I need to put it on a lathe and see if she spins straight and true) from a 1.66 ratio on a 96 boat.

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

However, he'd asked if ya got to be a member of that download center to download the PDF's.. do ya??

No, but 800 numbers doesn't mean it's the same ones.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

yeah, I kind of figured that might not be 'the one' as it would have to mean mine was made just 800 after his, boat model year was 95, and would also have to mean they made 800 more and then mine,, i was thunking,, did they make that many in one years time? maybe not.. anyways as I couldn't figure out how to download that link, you put up, 'like' last november or so.. which I ran across while searching this site yesterday morning, and seeing that it was my "thunking" that got me into this mess, better off.. lol

this is downloading,, THANKS!!

New edit possible attachment: 96 4 winns 190 Horizon SS DLX, Volvo-Penta SX Cobra, (95 OMC (ford 302)), hopefully not a frankenstine.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Ahhhhhh!!!!! I totaly missed your post!!, ya do Jarid!!??

me tinks i read sometin recently about sellin junk over here.. send me a PM, or E-mail??

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Humm, that's some tricky download site.. I managed to get one completed.. but it seems like pure luck. As I said, I had tried to download another file that you posted last November or so.. but that site wouldn't let me..


I've tried over and over to download another file but it just keeps doing the same thing it did the first time i saw it.. opens link to its mirror, offers ability to download but no links other then subscribe to their premium service works.. when I click the mirror page, it offers to download all of the files, but then "object failed" window pops up.. If I copy the links address to download it takes ya back to the same none working page..

One time it opened my download manager and I received a file,, but,, that's it no matter how many times I refresh it, or completely reload by following your link..




Is there a trick to it?

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Humm, that's some tricky download site.. I managed to get one completed.

No trick to it. No mirror sites or anything like that. You do have to wait, but it's free.

Here is how you do it.
Just click on the manual you want to download, I chose the drive manual for this.

Now click on the blue download button (See red arrow for the right one)

Now set back and wait for however long it says. It changes.

Now click on the download file now link (red arrow again)

Now choose where you want to download the file to on your computer and click save.

 

[89-conv]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

OK never-mind I figured it out.. I had, as I'm always cautious, the cookies blocked.. although it did let me download once before..

now by allowing cookies, the page opens and says ya got 360 seconds wait, or subscribe.. or it might just download it into a PDF reader which ya can save, or,, with luck it'll just open the download manager, lol

No complaints of a free download here.. But that's a tricky, or hungry download site. ha..

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

Go in and clean all your 4shared cookies, and the time will drop down to 30 seconds.

 

[Don S]

Re: 96 volvo penta Cobra SX outdirve.

You don't even have to do that now, I just turned on the premium download option. I keep it off because it goes over my limit real quick and I have to pay more.