ABYC Standards ??

BULLWARKS

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Literature I have read says boats should be wired in accordance with the American Boat and Yacht Counsel (ABYC) Standards. Do most new boats meet this standard?<br /><br />This forum has many posts asking about wiring and I have not found reference to the ABYC.<br /><br />Where can I find their wiring color code standard?
 

Realgun

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Re: ABYC Standards ??

I had to do a search that ABYC is a PIA to look at.<br /> Color Chart this should suffice.<br />I am using yellow as a ground for a good reason if there is AC on board hot is black don't want to ground to that!
 

BULLWARKS

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Re: ABYC Standards ??

Thanx Realgun, do you know if most boat manufacturers follow the ABYC Standard?
 

crab bait

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yes they do.. <br /><br />but if your goin' to wire as ABYC,, it'll cost you a fortune for all the different color wire.. <br /><br />yellow is ok.. but green with a yellow tracer stripe is the norm..
 

18rabbit

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There USCG tried to establish a voluntary program of random spot checks at boat yards for compliance to their regs and ABYC stds during the building of boats. It was slow to start but eventually manfs started coming onboard. USCG citations of building defects dropped significantly, then funding was cut. Last I heard the program was all but dead, those manfs still in the program are pretty much self-regulating, i.e. they tell whomever “yeah, we comply,” but no one goes and checks anymore. I don't know where the program is today.<br /><br />From a manf’s point of view, the only reason to adhere to ABYC stds is to reduce liability. As far as marine electrical goes, I think it is far more important to use only UL approved components and install as per manf’s instructions. Part of the requirement for UL certification includes comprehensive installation instructions, and if followed, is as safe and effective as any electrical can be, regardless of where it is installed. Back to the manf’s point of view, if they install a UL cert’d item, but not per manf’s instructions, the boat builder assumes a tremendous liability that has become virtually non-defendable. For that reason, almost everything having anything to do with electricity is submitted for UL certification, then installed per instructions. And by extension, if you install almost anything electrical, and don’t follow the manf’s installation instructions, you are providing your insurance company with a potential ‘out’ from having to settle a claim if your boat burns to the waterline.<br /><br />Fwiw, UL’s testing is so broad and extensive (and very expensive), that we know for a fact soldered connectors have absolutely nothing over a properly crimped connector. There is no electrical or mechanical benefit to soldering. It can only degrade the crimped connection. (This is the part where Boatist wakes up and says “WHAT!” :eek: :) ) The same is also true for coax connections. The crimp connectors are as good as, or better than soldered connectors, for electrical and mechanical connection.<br /><br />Note: PL-259s are ancient connectors, well past their useful life. They were designed for use indoors in a protected environment, and never intended for exposure to the elements as other connector designs are. Why PL-259s are still being used on marine VHF is beyond me. I can only presume it is a tradition that refuses to die, like RCA phono connectors. Those were originally intended for use inside a single chassis only. Never intended for connecting between chassis, the only way they are now used, due to the potential of establishing a ground-loop feedback.
 

BULLWARKS

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18Rabbit: Thanx for the great info. But if mfg's are not following a standard, how does a boat owner know what wire does what??<br /><br />When I buy my boat this June will I get a wiring diagram with it? Is that something I should expect?
 

demsvmejm

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When I bought my boat, I went to the marine service dealer and bought service manuals for the engine and outboard, as well as an operator and maintenaance manual. I also sourced an operators manual for the boat itself with a wiring diagram. You will need to do some investigative work yourself I'm afraid. Good luck.
 

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I also have seen reference to ABYC regulations as support for the crimp over solder debate, but I have seen no definative link to the regulations. So I would like to see specific reference to the ABYC regulations that stipulate crimping as the only acceptable connection. Good luck in getting any useable information out of the Crimp v Solder debate BULWARKS.
 

18rabbit

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Bulwarks - I didn’t mean to imply manfs were not following the stds. What I meant was to comment on the oversight for compliance of the ABYC or USCG regs/stds. Manfs may or may not be following ABYC color codes.<br /><br />If you are doing your own wiring, I suggest following the ABYC stds…and label everything! Realgun posted a link (above) for the codes. If you are troubleshooting a bunch of really pretty wires, I would presume the color-coding is per ABYC, then check to verify that is the case for those conductors you intended to service before doing anything. When buying a boat you get what you get. Definitely ask the manf for the wiring diagram but don’t be surprised if they won’t provide it.<br /><br />I don’t look at a boat as a system of wires. I see a collection of subsystems. Each subsystem has the wires needed for its function. If you know the function, you have a pretty good idea where the wires are going to and from. Troubleshooting becomes easier. I have a bundle of about 30 awg16 wires on my boat that snakes all over one end of the engine room. All of the wires are black, no labels. I pray to Neptune to please preserve the integrity of that bundle.<br /> :) <br /><br />David – you have to look at the crimp vs solder debate as entertainment. If you don’t you’ll go crazy. As you’ve noticed, there is a lot about it that has become entertaining, i.e. the suggestion to soldering battery cables to the battery posts.<br /> :)
 

tommays

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everything on my boat done by merc seams to use top quality connectors and wire<br /><br />everything done by the builder seams to be just good enough and not buy much<br /><br /><br />in the saltwater i have used it in for the last 9 years both have held up better than expected<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

demsvmejm

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Originally posted by 18rabbit:<br /> <br />I don’t look at a boat as a system of wires. I see a collection of subsystems. Each subsystem has the wires needed for its function. If you know the function, you have a pretty good idea where the wires are going to and from. Troubleshooting becomes easier. I have a bundle of about 30 awg16 wires on my boat that snakes all over one end of the engine room. All of the wires are black, no labels. I pray to Neptune to please preserve the integrity of that bundle.<br /> :)
That is the most intelligent statement regarding wiring I have read here in a long time. At least from a diagnostic stand-point.<br /><br />
<br />David – you have to look at the crimp vs solder debate as entertainment. If you don’t you’ll go crazy. As you’ve noticed, there is a lot about it that has become entertaining, i.e. the suggestion to soldering battery cables to the battery posts.<br /> :)
You are right, I seem to lose sight of that. Thank you :)
 
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