Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

americanmcss

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Good Morning All,

I have the 5.0L Merc Alpha One Gen One in my boat (serial number is in the 0D Range) and last winter we went ahead and put a new long block in her and reconned the outdrive. There were cracks in the water jackets from lack of drainage on the p/o's part. The worst part about the situation was that the engine was spotless on the inside! Probably had been rebuilt once before and had 100 hours worth of use. Anyway, during the engine drop in we (as in the three owners, myself, my father, and my brother-in-law) decided that the standard mechanical fuel pump was working properly...and it has...

My beef is with how long it has to crank before firing after sitting for more than an hour. I have been over the fuel system personally and there is no external check valve to prevent drain back. I'm guessing that the fuel pump is supposed to keep the fuel lines full up to the carb to help with starting? I don't like cranking a starter for more than 10-15 seconds at a time, even one that is rated for "marine duty" whatever that might mean...:D

What I would like to do, and have researched more in the on road department vs marine, is to add an electric fuel lift pump from between the tank to the filter housing. Its a short trip and easily accessed. I work in the Agricultural Machinery field and one thing I've noticed is that the fuel pump is typically placed upstream of the fuel filter, or there is an electric lift or transfer pump that sends fuel from the tank to the filter and from the filter to either a mechanical pump on the engine or directly to the fuel injection pump (on diesel engines).

I'd put a coarse fuel strainer before the pump to keep debris out of it of course but I feel like it would start easier if the fuel was pressurized through the main filter to the mechanical pump. Low pressure of course +/- 3psi.

Has anyone done this on an older carbbed engine before? Any other thoughts?\
Thanks
 

Bondo

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Good Morning All,

I have the 5.0L Merc Alpha One Gen One in my boat (serial number is in the 0D Range) and last winter we went ahead and put a new long block in her and reconned the outdrive. There were cracks in the water jackets from lack of drainage on the p/o's part. The worst part about the situation was that the engine was spotless on the inside! Probably had been rebuilt once before and had 100 hours worth of use. Anyway, during the engine drop in we (as in the three owners, myself, my father, and my brother-in-law) decided that the standard mechanical fuel pump was working properly...and it has...

My beef is with how long it has to crank before firing after sitting for more than an hour. I have been over the fuel system personally and there is no external check valve to prevent drain back. I'm guessing that the fuel pump is supposed to keep the fuel lines full up to the carb to help with starting? I don't like cranking a starter for more than 10-15 seconds at a time, even one that is rated for "marine duty" whatever that might mean...:D

What I would like to do, and have researched more in the on road department vs marine, is to add an electric fuel lift pump from between the tank to the filter housing. Its a short trip and easily accessed. I work in the Agricultural Machinery field and one thing I've noticed is that the fuel pump is typically placed upstream of the fuel filter, or there is an electric lift or transfer pump that sends fuel from the tank to the filter and from the filter to either a mechanical pump on the engine or directly to the fuel injection pump (on diesel engines).

I'd put a coarse fuel strainer before the pump to keep debris out of it of course but I feel like it would start easier if the fuel was pressurized through the main filter to the mechanical pump. Low pressure of course +/- 3psi.

Has anyone done this on an older carbbed engine before? Any other thoughts?\
Thanks

Ayuh,.... You've got a Carb problem, not fuel delivery,...

There should be an anti-siphon valve at the tank's outlet fittin',... It is a Check-valve,....

A mechanical fuel pump is Nothin' but a diaphragm, 'n Check-valves,....

My guess is yer Carb has an internal leak, 'n is droppin' the bowl's gas into the intake manifold,...
The extended crankin' is the fuel pump, refillin' the fuel bowl,...
Carb fuel pump pressures usually run 4 to 6 psi,...

Oh, 'n the needle valve at the top of the fuel bowl is in essence, Another Check-valve,...

Which Carb ya got,..??
 

americanmcss

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Bondo,
Thanks for the fast reply. Its the two bbl Mercarb. I'm not doubting your experience at all but the boat runs like a dream once she's fired up and she never hiccups a bit unless she's stone cold. Still a carb problem?

I'll check to see if there's fuel in the intake next time we run her.
 

Alumarine

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Just curious - when you pump the throttle does fuel squirt into the carb?
 

Bondo

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Bondo,
Thanks for the fast reply. Its the two bbl Mercarb. I'm not doubting your experience at all but the boat runs like a dream once she's fired up and she never hiccups a bit unless she's stone cold. Still a carb problem?

I'll check to see if there's fuel in the intake next time we run her.

Ayuh,...My 4.3LX has the Merc/ Weber AFB Carter clone carb,...

It runs like a raped ape, but still has the AFB Clone Leak they're all known for,...
 

americanmcss

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Just curious - when you pump the throttle does fuel squirt into the carb?

I've never seen any, but then again I've never looked that close because she will start after a minute or two.
 

americanmcss

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Bondo,
Is it worth a rebuild? or would I be better of purchasing a reman carb?
I know some of these carbs aren't worth the time and effort to try and rebuild but I have less than zero experience with this mercarb thing. Anyone you know of sell a good rebuild kit with stellar instructions?
 

Bondo

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

Bondo,
Is it worth a rebuild? or would I be better of purchasing a reman carb?
I know some of these carbs aren't worth the time and effort to try and rebuild but I have less than zero experience with this mercarb thing. Anyone you know of sell a good rebuild kit with stellar instructions?

Ayuh,.... I donno 'bout the 2bbl. mercarbs,.... Other who do, will be along,....

I'm told epoxyin' the welch plugs in mine will fix it, but I ain't gotten 'round to it,...
 

americanmcss

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

So what about my original idea then as adding a lift pump before the filter? Useless for the time being? For right now I'd hate to mess with a carb thats allowing the engine to run great just to fix a little problem like that. It would be much cheaper in the short term to add the pump.
 

Scott Danforth

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Re: Add On Electric Fuel Lift Pump?

So what about my original idea then as adding a lift pump before the filter? Useless for the time being? For right now I'd hate to mess with a carb thats allowing the engine to run great just to fix a little problem like that. It would be much cheaper in the short term to add the pump.

You have a carb problem. pull the carb off and clean/rebuild it.

a carb kit is about 1/5th the cost of an electric fuel pump, relays, and oil pressure switch.
 
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