Aggrivating Time

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KennyKenCan

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I am presently in the process of purchasing a boat, and this is quite possibly the worst nightmare of my life.<br /><br />I have contacted a few brokers to find me a 1989-1995 25' Sea Ray DA Sundancer, with a price between $15,000 and $25,000.<br /><br />So far they have all called me at least 3 times, all telling me that they have a great deal on a 4Winns, or Chapperal, or Regal for only $30,000!!<br /><br />I don't want a 4Winns, or Chapperal, or Regal, I want a 25' Sea Ray DA Sundancer!!!<br /><br />I don't have $30,000!!!!!!!<br /><br />The brokers claim that they can't find the Sea Ray that I'm lookin for in the price range I'm lookin at, but yet I have found 4 of them locally, at or below the price I'm interested in!<br /><br />Now, one of the brokers has sent me a bill for $585 for their services, and they have yet to come up with what I'm lookin for!<br /><br />I told them that they would not get one red cent from me, even if they did find me a boat that I wanted!<br /><br />They then proceded to tell me that they would sue for their fee if I refused to pay them.<br /><br />I called my lawyer, and after he talked to them, they claimed that they don't even know who I am!!<br /><br />So, my lawyer asked them why they sent me a bill, and they claimed that I must have contracted them, so I would have to pay them.<br /><br />Well, to make a long story short, the lawyer got them to retract their bill!<br /><br />Just who do these brokers think they are???<br /><br />Looking for a new boat is such a hastle, I'm considering giving up and just waiting until one just happens to pop up, but my luck usually isn't that good, so I'll just keep lookin.<br /><br />This is a major expence that I am about to undertake, and I wish I could just get service from those who are suppose to be providing this service, without all the hastles!<br /><br />Sorry, just venting!!!!
 
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at least you found out they was idiots B4 you<br />tried to buy a boat through them!<br />look into brokers in the Toronto area Kenny, the<br />exchange rate is pretty darn good and i have seen<br />some killer deals. bet they will be more honest<br />than a local broker who's tryin to hit a homerun<br />off your sale.<br />I just bought a 22' Starcraft in Creamridge, NJ :D <br />I'll trailer it half way and you can do same 4 me!<br />MY buy was a small winter deposit, balance paid<br />upon physical pick up in spring.
 
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KKC said: <br />
The brokers claim that they can't find the Sea Ray that I'm lookin for in the price range I'm lookin at, but yet I have found 4 of them locally, at or below the price I'm interested in!
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Uhhhhh, ok, what am I missing here?<br />If you have found 4, then why are you not buying one on your own instead of going through a broker?
 
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KKC...I Know iknow, Its a 1998 and Its $28,000. But thought it may intrest you. If it dont oh well it only took a couple minutes of your time. <br /><br /> web page <br /><br />P.s. It's in florida...Where do I send the bill for my trouble.
 
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mellow,<br /><br />Don't they charge an export fee (tax), if I would buy it in Canada and bring it to the U.S.?<br /><br />Plus shipping costs!!!<br /><br />Not sure I would want to pay that, and then have to pay the NY sales tax when I go to register it.<br /><br />You know how high our taxes are...
 
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I hear what you are saying SBN, but if you saw what they were selling, I'm sure you would want some sort of warrenty.<br /><br />Those other boats looked like wrecks that were salvaged!<br /><br />Torn up interiors, bashed hulls, extra holes drilled thru the transom, engine wiring held together with bubble gum, etc...<br /><br />I don't want someone elses headache, I want a well maintained and cared for boat, as I intend to keep this one for 20 years or more, and I have no intention of spending a year and a half fixing it up.
 
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Oh, ok KKC, did not know that. Sorry and I'll shut up.
 
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neumanns,<br /><br />Sure do wish I could afford that '98 Sea Ray, (nice boat, ain't she??)but even you my freind, is not going to sell me what I don't want either. :D <br /><br />Why does it have to be so difficult???<br /><br />I'm ready to give up and wait till next year to do this!
 
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for once NAFTA is a good thing.... (no charges).<br />same "tax" you will pay when u register her,<br />based on purchase price. no hidden/extra charges.<br />you might get reverse sticker shock though (such<br />a good price, there's gotta be something wrong<br />with it) very short season, all freshwater use...<br />good negotiating tool at the very least?
 
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SBN, <br /><br />I wasn't trying to attack you or nothing, I really appreciated your input!!!<br /><br />I didn't mean to sound negative towards you.<br /><br />Sorry if I was.<br /><br />I guess I should have been more informative in the previous posts.<br /><br />Its just that I want a quality boat to begin with, and the best place to find them, in really good shape, is usually through a broker.<br /><br />The broker also offers some sort of warranty with the purchase, which is essencial(sp), when spending that kind of money!
 
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Thanks for that tid-bit of info mellow.<br /><br />Maybe I'll try to take a look up there north of the border, who knows, maybe I'll get the deal of the new melenium. LoL :D
 
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KKC – you are creating a market for the very boat you are seeking. All 3 or 4 brokers are competing to sell you the same boat. The owner of any boat sees 3 or 4 separate interest in his vessel…less likely to accept an offer from one since any of the others may be better…but you are also all of the other interests. You are creating an artificial increase in the demand, and thus increased value, for any vessel that matches what you are looking for. I suggest you stop the search, let it cool down, then work thru a single broker.<br /><br /> Mello -NAFTA is NOT so much about commerce. It is a lot about fiscal transaction transparency. That is the reason for the current push to include South Am and the Caribbean countries. The gov’t is looking for the $$$ of expats that bailed with $billions to avoid taxes. Any NAFTA member country can view your personal banking transactions.
 
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sorry Ken, think u gotta get away from NYC brokers to<br />get the right deal. too many rich idiots who know<br />nothing about boats, who are easily swayed by a<br />person who "knows more than them"...
 
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18rabbit,<br /><br />You are the second person to tell me that.<br /><br />I formally requested the brokers not to search for me any further, this past weekend.<br /><br />I will restart my search this weekend.<br /><br />Thanks for the info.
 
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mellow,<br /><br />The brokers I used were on Long Island, not NYC.<br /><br />I must admitt, they seemed to only be interested in money, not finding me the boat that I want!<br /><br />I am going to talk to some of my old high school friends who are now boat brokers in Fla.<br /><br />Maybe they can send me in the right direction.
 
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Part of the problem stems from the fact that "sellers agents" are calling themselves Broakers. If they have a boat on the lot they are not broakers they are dealers. IMO<br /><br />A broaker should have extensive knowledge of what is on the market, including at least a couple of the ones you found on your own. As well as a clearly defined fee for when and if he finds what you want. If he is serious about what he's doing a contract would also include a clause to prevent you from buying a boat he found outside of his fees. <br /><br />Seems to me there not true brokers!
 
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Posted by KKC:<br /><br />
The brokers claim that they can't find the Sea Ray that I'm lookin for in the price range I'm lookin at, but yet I have found 4 of them locally, at or below the price I'm interested in!<br />
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Those other boats looked like wrecks that were salvaged!<br /><br />Torn up interiors, bashed hulls, extra holes drilled thru the transom, engine wiring held together with bubble gum, etc...<br /><br />I don't want someone elses headache, I want a well maintained and cared for boat, as I intend to keep this one for 20 years or more, and I have no intention of spending a year and a half fixing it up.<br /><br />
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The ones you have found in your price range are wrecks according to you.<br /><br />The brokers say they cant find one in your price range.<br /><br />Maybe they are right.<br /><br />I'm not taking their side but if the ones you found in your price range are fixer uppers then maybe one that is well maintained goes for more than you can spend. :confused:
 
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boatingfool,<br /><br />You may be right about the price range, but I have been to many web sites and have found exactly what I'm lookin for in the price range I was lookin for, (just that there is no warranty with casual sale boats), so I can't see why a broker can't find one.<br /><br />Also contacted an appraiser, as I will need one before I make the purchase, and they claim that a 1989-1995 25' Sea Ray DA Sundancer should be between $19,000 and $27,000, which is right in the price range I intend to spend!<br /><br />I just get the feeling that the brokers I've been dealing with, want to sell me what they have in their stock, and are not willing to sell me a boat thats not listed with them, because they don't want to share the profits with another broker.<br /><br />If thats the case, then why don't they tell that, and stop trying to sell me something I do not want!<br /><br />The boats that I did find that I considered wrecks, were at the low end of the market, between $11,000 and $16,000.<br /><br />I am not interested in restoring a boat, I just want one that is in excellant condition.
 
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