Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

dellsboater

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Looking for some info on proping on a 201 1988 Four Winns Liberator...
Came with a 21 pitch alum prop, does around 50. Also have a 20 inch SS needs repair, wonder if I should repitch to a 21 during the repair.

What numbers do you get with your Lib, and what prop do you run?

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castaic piper

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

you can try right here on Iboats http://forums.iboats.com/Four_Winns_Boats
or here http://www.smwebhead.com/phpBB3/
You didnt mention what engine you have or drive. These boats are not light and depending on power you might want to stick with the smaller prop. The local boat shop here would let you exchange a new prop aslong as you didnt damage it. Im not sure if your local shop would do this but it might be worth checking into.
 

dellsboater

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

350 5.7 270 hp with Omc drive...
 

kawi200rider

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

I have owned my 88' 201 since 1996. Bought it from the original owner with 190 hrs. on it. I, like many on here believed it was a mid-fifties boat until I borrowed a friends GPS and averaged btw 48-50 with a couple of people and half tank of gas. What can you expect, however, from a heavy boat with 230 php. I bought a 23" prop thinking this would get me more speed, but gave me nothing but poor acceleration, low top speed rpms and a lot of bowrise. This boat stock is meant for a 19", maybe a 21" stainless if you have a strong motor. Four Winns has archives on all their older boats including top speed ranges. Only two boats came from the factory capable of hitting 60mph: 502 201 and the twin engine 241 and this was in ideal conditions. Most are high forties, low to mid fifties including all the big block 211's.

If you are going to keep the boat and want speed, you will have to do what I did after the GPS incident and prop testing: pull the motor and go to town!! Took it to a machine shop, had them rebuild the lower end, then I put new pistons, hotter cam, SR torquer heads, edelbrock intake and then took it to a dynoshop and tuned it on the stand. I read every Hotboat and Powerboat tech article for 2 years to figure out what to buy. Made 385 hp for about $3000 in money. Best investment I ever made. Six years later and I still hit low sixties everytime I pin the throttle. I consistently run with the newer big block single engine 25 fters. Baja, Formula, you name it. Some I even beat. I pull btw 4700 and 5000 w/ a 14.25 23P for speed runs. OMC outdrive has been bulletproof after two early on rebuilds (before I rebuilt the motor). Keep the outdrive full of amsoil and the revs below 5000 and all is well.

In the vid I am running a 21 merc prop nipping 60...http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1029206062973&saved
 

dellsboater

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

kawi200rider said "Four Winns has archives on all their older boats including top speed ranges. Only two boats came from the factory capable of hitting 60mph

Where do I go to look at this?

I did the same thing like you did to my 4.3 in my checkmate and increased the hp from 190 to 225 with new cam, intake and 4bbl carb. Gained about 8 mph on top end. But it is such a shallow hull, it really beats you up in chop. Thats why we bought the Liberator. I would be happy with 55-60.
 

kawi200rider

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

fourwinns.com On the left hand side you will see something that refers to past product info. Goes all the way back to 88. You did very well picking up that much speed with a cam change. Usually it takes rougly 10hp to pick up 1 mph but it also is not linear. I figure as the engine sits today to pick up the 10 to 12 mph that I did I raised the engine hp by 125 to 140 (don't know what the stock motor was really putting out).
 

dellsboater

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

kawi200rider said Only two boats came from the factory capable of hitting 60mph: 502 201 and the twin engine 241 and this was in ideal conditions.

I accessed the data from four winns. It states the 201 with the 270 motor performance should be 55-60 mph. It does not show a prop size, it is blank.
Here is the Link:
http://assets3.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs//1988/25 ... P[SLASH]W[SLASH]O[SLASH]A%20(p52-53).pdf
 

kawi200rider

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

Here is a quick reference:

1992 454ci, 330 hp 201 liberator runs 55-58mph
with a 351 285 hp 52 to 54.

This is also marketing material publishing test results with nothing on board but gas and a couple of people. Published top speeds for boats are like car magazine 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. You and I just aren't going to get the same results. Professional drivers in ideal conditions with factory prepped machines.

An 88 motor was putting out less hp than either of these motors...promise

Your link didn't work, hopefully this one will:

http://assets1.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs//1992/18 201 Liberator (p54-55).pdf
 

dellsboater

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

Here is a quick reference:

1992 454ci, 330 hp 201 liberator runs 55-58mph
with a 351 285 hp 52 to 54.


I see what you are saying, but the 1988 was about 400-500 lbs lighter then the the 1992, also looks like the hull had a differant setup. This is what is listed for the 1988...hope this link works....
 

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kawi200rider

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It worked that time. I think they may have been stretching these numbers. I don't get the weight thing. The 201 hull did not change. They changed the hatch and graphics, but even from 88 to 89 there is a 300 or 400 lb difference in weight according to their website. I attribute this to a different method of weighing the boat (maybe with and without fluids, fuel, who knows?) but the they are all the same boat. For fun I will e-mail them and see what they say.
 

skidoo583

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

i have a 1990 454 221 liberator. picked it up late in the fall last year, only had it out a few times and was suprised at the top speed at 62 mph with 4 people in the boat and that was on gps. from what i have read on the fourums most people were saying they were in the 52-55 mph range. but i have been looking at a lot of pitchers of liberators and about 99% have side exhaust, and myn has thru hull out the back. and was wondering why my top speed was so much higher so i called four winns today and gave them my vin# and they said my boat had the HO version of the 454 and the thur hull exhaust was a special order. has anyone else seen a liberator set up like myn.
 

brivander

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

I have owned my 88' 201 since 1996. Bought it from the original owner with 190 hrs. on it. I, like many on here believed it was a mid-fifties boat until I borrowed a friends GPS and averaged btw 48-50 with a couple of people and half tank of gas. What can you expect, however, from a heavy boat with 230 php. I bought a 23" prop thinking this would get me more speed, but gave me nothing but poor acceleration, low top speed rpms and a lot of bowrise. This boat stock is meant for a 19", maybe a 21" stainless if you have a strong motor. Four Winns has archives on all their older boats including top speed ranges. Only two boats came from the factory capable of hitting 60mph: 502 201 and the twin engine 241 and this was in ideal conditions. Most are high forties, low to mid fifties including all the big block 211's.

If you are going to keep the boat and want speed, you will have to do what I did after the GPS incident and prop testing: pull the motor and go to town!! Took it to a machine shop, had them rebuild the lower end, then I put new pistons, hotter cam, SR torquer heads, edelbrock intake and then took it to a dynoshop and tuned it on the stand. I read every Hotboat and Powerboat tech article for 2 years to figure out what to buy. Made 385 hp for about $3000 in money. Best investment I ever made. Six years later and I still hit low sixties everytime I pin the throttle. I consistently run with the newer big block single engine 25 fters. Baja, Formula, you name it. Some I even beat. I pull btw 4700 and 5000 w/ a 14.25 23P for speed runs. OMC outdrive has been bulletproof after two early on rebuilds (before I rebuilt the motor). Keep the outdrive full of amsoil and the revs below 5000 and all is well.

In the vid I am running a 21 merc prop nipping 60...http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1029206062973&saved

Not sure where you get this information, but my 221 with a 502 clears 60 on GPS no problem....and four winns will tell you these are with full fuel. My 221 also runs ~2 mph faster in moderate chop than dead smooth water.



201 -- http://www.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1993/16 201 Liberator (p72-73).pdf

211 -- No speed data but my 211 with a 350 did 53 and my friends with a BB did 56 on GPS -- http://www.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1988/22 211 Liberator (p46-47).pdf

221 -- http://www.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1994/17 221 Liberator (p62-63).pdf

241 -- No Speed data -- http://www.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1988/23 241 Liberator (p48-49).pdf

251 -- http://www.fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1990/31 251 Liberator (p82-83).pdf

261 -- http://fourwinnsmarketing.com/past_product/specs/1990/32 261 Liberator (p84-85).pdf

There are more of these out there just look, be carefull when looking at the engines, whether you are looking at the Ford or the Chevy motor etc.
 

brivander

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

i have a 1990 454 221 liberator. picked it up late in the fall last year, only had it out a few times and was suprised at the top speed at 62 mph with 4 people in the boat and that was on gps. from what i have read on the fourums most people were saying they were in the 52-55 mph range. but i have been looking at a lot of pitchers of liberators and about 99% have side exhaust, and myn has thru hull out the back. and was wondering why my top speed was so much higher so i called four winns today and gave them my vin# and they said my boat had the HO version of the 454 and the thur hull exhaust was a special order. has anyone else seen a liberator set up like myn.
I have seen one like this as well on Lake Erie, and it was also a freak, it was only about 1mph slower than my 502....I wish I had that problem, to much speed :) Plus, with a used boat, you really never truly know what has been done to it unless you get it from the original owner. He checked the block #, and low and behold it was a 502...

GEN V Marine 502 casting number will be visible on the back of the block on the top (driver side of the boat) and read 14096859. You would be second person I have heard of to find that "problem" :)
 

skidoo583

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

it was a nice suprise to find out about the motor. ive owned a lot of different boats over the years but i think im going to hold on to this one for a wile, the way this boat rides and handles is just amazing. i think four winns should come out with a new liberator, alltho with fuel prices as high as they are it might be a tough sell right now.
 

brivander

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Re: Any 201 Liberator owners out there?

Love the boat, I'm in "restore" mode right now, found some soft wood on mine too...
 
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