AQ130C: bogs down under load

am_dew

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My up until now perfectly running AQ130C suddenly started acting up last weekend. While out of gear (in neutral), the engine sounds perfectly normal and revs to 3-4K RPM perfectly. If you put it in gear and accelerate, there is a noticeable loss of power compared to what it usually has and pretty quickly it starts to bog down and dies. If you back the throttle off when it starts to bog down to about 2000 RPM or less, it is fine. The highest RPM I was able to get yesterday was 4200 RPM (normally it will easily go to 5000) but it won't run at the RPM very long before it bogs down and dies on it's own, unless you back off the throttle. If you are in gear at idle speed or slightly above, everything is fine, but when you give it more gas, that's when things go quickly downhill.

The only variable since the previous outing where the boat ran perfectly to the very end of the trip (as it has every trip this year and in previous recent years) is that I put about 10 gallons of 91 octane gas in it along with about 3 oz. of marine Stabil in it. I did not touch the engine other than to check the oil level as do after every trip.

BTW, the engine oil is fine and both of the Solex carbs both seem to be operating fine...at least visually. I also pulled and checked the spark plugs -- they looked as good as any used spark plugs I've seen.

My first thought was fuel, so I checked the fuel filter (old glass bowl style) this weekend and while the filter was not clogged badly with it, there was some evidence of the Marine Formula Stabil (a light blue color). I'm not sure how old this Stabil was (maybe 2-3 years?) but I wonder if it did not mix with the fuel for some reason? Or perhaps I got some bad gas and/or have water in the gas tank? I'm thinking it can't hurt to put some HEET into the tank and take the boat out again on the river and give it a try. I thought I might also buy a portable gas tank and fill it with new gas and hook it up to the fuel pump and see how that goes if the HEET does not help.

This is very frustrating since the engine (a rebuild bought from Volvo by a V/P dealer who instaled it for me) has worked absolutely perfectly all season long and for the past several years if not longer since it was installed in about 2000. I can't help but think it's a fuel issue of some kind.

Any suggestions or advice?
 

PiratePast40

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

It sounds like you're on the right track with fuel if that was the only thing that changed and that's when the problem started. Would be a good idea to get a decent sized fuel sample to check for water and sediment. If you try running with an alternate fuel supply, and it fixes the problems, then you've most likely found the culprit.

Theres also the possibility that it's time to rebuild the carbs. And, as we all know, running down Dons' list of reasons for not beng able to attain WOT will most likely reveal an answer.
 

am_dew

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

I've thought about siphoning much of the gas in the tank but that would require buying several gas containers and then what do you do with the gas?

What's the most economical, but most importantly, safe way to try an alternate fuel supply? I guess you'd have to buy an outboard gas tank and attach a suitable hose off of that to the intake side of the fuel pump.
 

mickjetblue

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

How is the distributor cap, points, and rotor?

They may be due for a change, and it's not that much work.
Also check and clean the spark plug wiring terminals.

My VP4 likes 89 gas and any kind of fuel stabilizer, including marine Stabil,
which I am using all the time now.

Good luck!

:rolleyes:
 

am_dew

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

How is the distributor cap, points, and rotor?

They may be due for a change, and it's not that much work.
Also check and clean the spark plug wiring terminals.

My VP4 likes 89 gas and any kind of fuel stabilizer, including marine Stabil,
which I am using all the time now.

Good luck!

:rolleyes:

Thanks.

I've got a Pertronix electronic ignition so no points but I checked the cap and rotor and they are both like new. I also pulled each spark plug wire and then re-installed. Also pulled each spark plug...they were as clean as I've ever seen spark plugs....like new.

I always fill up with 91 octane as I did this last time literally the day before the problems started, so I'm going to start by looking at fuel or fuel delivery issues.
 

am_dew

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

UPDATE:

I attached an external fuel tank filled with some fresh gas to the intake side of the fuel pump and took the boat out for a test run yesterday. No change in performance, so that rules out fuel tank issues or fuel quality issues.

I've uploaded a 2 minute video to YouTube which gives you a pretty good idea of what is happening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9iCq06E-A

As you will clearly see and hear, it continued to bog down badly during acceleration and it never got beyond 4000 RPM (normally it will go to at least 5000) and it was hard to get it much past 3000 without it bogging down and shutting down. Notice that if I backed off the throttle when it started to bog down, it normally would not die. Numerous backfires and spitting from the carbs. I did not remove the flame arrestors while I was testing due to safety concerns. With the engine shut down, I did verify that each carb is getting a good shot of gas from the candy-cane tube in the top of each carb, so it does not seem like my accelerator pumps are to blame. It idles perfectly and while in idle I can increase the RPMs without any bogging down or hesitation.

Why this started happening all of the sudden is beyond me. No changes to anything between one perfect trip out and the next one when the problem started.

Will a bad fuel pump cause this sort of behavior? Or is it more likely to be caused by a problem with the carbs?
 

sqbtr

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

Check the valve clearance, excessive clearances could be caused by the seats dropping out of the head.
 

am_dew

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

Check the valve clearance, excessive clearances could be caused by the seats dropping out of the head.

Thanks. Would something like this only be apparent while under load?
 

sqbtr

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load

I only mention it because it happened to mine, ran perfect till it got bad enough to cause instant loss of power. Your valve train sounds a little noisey.
 

am_dew

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load FIXED!!!

Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load FIXED!!!

I'm back online here after taking a break during the off-season.

Here is an update on my situation where the engine was bogging down/surging under load:

  1. Removed and cleaned high speed carb jets; no obvious blockage.
  2. Checked cylinder compression. Results: 165-185 in all 4 cylinders
  3. Check fuel pump pressure. Result: almost 3 PSI (spec = 3.2)
  4. Sprayed some carb cleaner and Deep Creep into each carb and ran engine. Repeated 3 times.

Took the boat out for a test on the river with fingers crossed and everything was perfect! I ran it 17 miles without any signs of what was happening last Fall. Go figure. All I can figure is that either one of the high speed jets was in fact clogged and/or something got cleaned out by the carb cleaner and Deep Creep I sprayed into the carbs.
 

PiratePast40

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Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load FIXED!!!

Re: AQ130C: bogs down under load FIXED!!!

Glad to hear it's running great. Must have been your magic touch that did it
 
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