B/S lawnmover engine

kkj

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Has anyone tried to replace the outboard 2-stroke motor with a Briggs&Stratton 4-stroke?
 

CATransplant

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Re: B/S lawnmover engine

It's been done, but it's not such an easy job. It all depends on what the outboard is you plan to convert. I've seen a few of these hybrids in my life. Most of them I wouldn't have on my boat, under any circumstances.<br /><br />The most likely candidates for such a graft are the air-cooled small motors like the 1970's Sea Kings and Sears outboards. They start out with what amounts to a vertical shaft lawnmower engine in the first place, so it's a little less troublesome to convert one of these to a B&S 4-stroker.<br /><br />When you're done, though, you have a loud, small-horsepower outboard that has a LOT of vibration. <br /><br />Still, such conversions provide plenty of humor for the other boaters around you. And it's a fun project.
 

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Re: B/S lawnmover engine

Yes, I am of course thinking about vertical shaft.<br />Yes, it's a fun project!<br />Yes I don't mind to provide plenty of humor!<br /><br />Running at full speed it can be some noise and vibration, but many small two-strokes also make unpleasant howling noise at 4000-5000 rpm.<br /><br />I was thinking about slowly putt-putting around. <br />The best for this purpose is of course an old fishing boat with big slow running one cylinder engine, but that is another matter.
 

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Have a blast! And be sure to come back and tell us about your experiments. Photos would be nice, too. Oddball projects are my favorites.
 

ZmOz

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That's pretty much what the B&S outboard is. Probably easier to just buy one of those. :)
 

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ZmOZ,<br /><br />But not nearly as much fun. Take a Sea King 5 hp with a dead powerhead. Take a garage sale lawnmower. Graft 'em together and you have a working outboard. Maybe for $50 total.<br /><br />A bodge job for sure, but a fun weekend challenge. A lot cheaper than the $600 Honda and a nice curiosity. Paint it red and just watch the heads turn as people wonder who's mowing the lawn in the middle of the lake.
 

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Re: B/S lawnmover engine

B&S outboards was news to me. Living on the other side of this planet. Now I have investigated them on internet. What progress!! They are now OHV engines!! <br />To modern! Sidevalve is the way to go.<br />Problem is, every dead powerhead outboard has probably a gearing that is to low. Can be solved with suitable prop maybe??
 

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Well, you're probably right about the gearing, but I wouldn't concern myself too much. The B&S engines tend to run about 3500 RPM max, and if you're using a used engine from a lawnmower, it may be even less.<br /><br />You're obviously not going to get a high-performance outboard out of this transplant operation in the first place. That is, unless you're talking about grafting one of the larger vertical shaft engines.<br /><br />For the typical 3.5-5hp B&S lawnmower engines, maximum performance is probably not going to be your main concern, frankly. If you can manage the installation at all, you'll have a hodge-podge outboard. Use a small hp outboard as your lower end and it'll be propped OK for your experiment.<br /><br />The biggest problem will be coming up with a coupling for the driveshaft to the engine. You'll have to install the engine on a raised platform, I expect, then put together some sort of coupler to connect the B&S crankshaft to the driveshaft from the outboard. You'll also need to hold the driveshaft in position vertically, I'd think. Some sort of mount that uses short coil springs, perhaps, to provide a bit of downward force.<br /><br />Then, there's the outboard's cooling system to deal with, plus any shifing mechanism that exists in it. You will probably be using an above water exhaust, so you can do whatever you want with the water cooling. Remove the impeller, or come up with some cool outlet for the water flow...maybe a nice fan-shaped spray out the back....the point is for this to be cool-looking on the water, right?<br /><br />I have actually seen a couple of these hybrids running. I suspect you could design a neat-enough looking thing that wouldn't embarrass you too much at the ramp.<br /><br />Or...you could buy a running Sea King for about $50 and get on with fishing.
 

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Build a water injected exhaust silencer like the big boys have! Put in a bypass valve so you can shut it down for performance...
 

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Several years ago my Dad got it in his head that he could make some outboards out of some lawnmower motors he'd accumulated over the years. So he picked up a couple of freebie Eska lower ends from the local marina and grafted two of the better B&S motors he had. <br /><br />The REALLY fun part came next when he got it in his head to make them into a Wheel Horse and John Deere. Went so far as to order up the proper decals and paint! They get a lot of attention at motor meets. The funniest was probably the guy who did a double take and said "I ain't seen one of them in years!" as he looked over the John Deere Green contraption...<br /><br />Neither motor ran very well - vibration was a big issue, which may have been as much my Dad's fault as it was the fault of the single cylinder Briggs. His couplers were functional, but I doubt he spent much time getting things perfectly squared and trued...<br /><br />- Scott<br /><br />- Scott
 

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Re: B/S lawnmover engine

My Sea King 5 hp vibrates a lot, too. It's the nature of the beast, I think.<br /><br />I think some sort of rubber mounting for the engine itself is the answer, along with good alignment. <br /><br />I've been thinking about messing with one of these setups myself, just for fun.<br /><br />What would really be fun is to make one out of some really odd vertical shaft engine.
 

McGR

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I believe the blade on a mower also serves as pseudo flywheel. So, some sort of equivalent flywheel may be in order to mitigate vibration.
 

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A flywheel from a horizontal shaft motor would solve the flywheel problem. That reminds me in<br />the sixties we used to mix and match 3 hp horizontal and verticle shaft parts for our gocart.We even took verticle shaft blocks and mounted them horizontal by simply drilling 4 holes and bolting them up.We also once ran a<br />7 hp wisconsen motor without a flywheel.Not practical but unbelieveable response to the throttle.Sorry for wondering.
 

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Re: B/S lawnmover engine

A flywheel from a horizontal shaft motor would solve the flywheel problem. That reminds me in<br />the sixties we used to mix and match 3 hp horizontal and verticle shaft parts for our gocart.We even took verticle shaft blocks and mounted them horizontal by simply drilling 4 holes and bolting them up.We also once ran a<br />7 hp wisconsen motor without a flywheel.Not practical but unbelieveable response to the throttle.Sorry for wandering.
 

cobra 3.0

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When I hear a lawnmower, I think about cutting grass (i.e. work!) :mad: <br /><br />...kind of ruins the mood!
 

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I was looking at the Northern Tool web site yesterday. They have a 20 hp Tecumseh V-twin vertical shaft for around $600. Shipping weight is just 90 lb. Electric start...the whole nine yards.<br /><br />Might make an interesting candidate for a home-built jet motor, if you could find an appropriate pump for it.
 
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