Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

jachunter

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Well I know it is bad.. I'm just wondering if this powerhead is toast or if this can be taken to a machine shop, bored out and cleaned up and be like new again.<br /><br />There is a significant amount of light scratches on the inside of the cylinder wall. Nothing too deep, but it is very rough none the less. <br /><br />What do you guys think?<br /><br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-028F.jpg <br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-029F.jpg <br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-030F.jpg <br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-031F.jpg <br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-032F.jpg <br /> http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/jachunter/MVC-033F.jpg
 

jleus

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

What motor is it (Yammy v6 posted about earlier?)? Scratches don't have to be very deep to be beyond the reach of the oversizes that OEM pistons come in (for Suzukis). Re-sleeving is an option that is more costly but relative to a new powerhead or getting a used one in shape is more cost effective. I'm sure you know but when you start looking for machine shop work start with and stick with one that does outboards only. <br /><br />The piston looks like the ring lost its grip on the pin and then snagged the port. How bad is the port and head beat up? Port damage may make re-sleeving the better option.
 

Ray Neudecker

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

The type of damage suggests a lot of wear. A good machine shop should be able to clean it up. If not replacing the sleeve is the next best option.
 

jachunter

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

Yes it is the 150 prov I posted about.<br /><br />One of the rings is broken on this piston.<br /><br />This is an 88 motor that has had a lot of use.<br /><br />Do you guys think this is a result of many many many hours of use or an oil or gas problem. The cylinder does have oil still in it and isn't by any means dry.<br /><br />I don't know when the carbs were last rebuilt... I have had boat for 1.5 years and have not had them rebuilt because the boat ran fine, idled fine, and started fine.<br /><br />Do give you more back ground, the motor used to rev to 5500-5600 and the past 6 months i couldn't get it over 5000 rpm...I kept running it anyway. Obviously now the drop in rpm was probaly something with the #1 cylinder that is now out?.
 

jleus

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

Looks like mechanical failure not oil/fuel related. That length of time chew'n on parts may make the rebuild more costly.
 

Ray Neudecker

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

The pictures seem to indicate a great deal of wear. I would expect to have to have all 6 cylinders bored amd replaced with new pistons, pins, rings and bearings. The rods should be measured for stretch.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

that my friend is called detonation.<br /> the fuel to air ratio leaned out and the hottest part of the piston is the ring land near the exhaust port. I dont see any evidence of piston siezure just detonation. usually caused by a clogged carb or a weak fuel pump and continued high speed running even after you noticed it was sick. when a motor like a high performance 2 stroke tells you its sick it dies soon without treatment.<br /> it looks like a nice freshwater motor that will be worth a rebuild. make sure you find and correct the cause of the detonation.<br /> overadvaced timing usually detonates the intake side of the piston.<br /> either way have a machine shop carefully measure the pistons and the bores for correct diameters that still conform to specifications. if its honed the measureing and math has do be done after honeing. the piston ring looks mostly intact so its doubtful it was a piston ring locating pin failure. more like a maint issue that got run till it was a mechanical issue.<br /> in any event a thorough tune up of the cooling and fuel system will need to be done at reassembly. but the only way to know if there is any other damage is to disssemble it.<br /> if you wish to reuse any bearing assy´s make sure you keep them in pairs at disassembly and always use the correct sealants and new rodbolts on reassembly. I am with Ray on the piston wristpins. I would replace them,using new circlips, anytime an older engine is apart.<br /> if you dont replace them at least remove them and very very carefully measure them, the tolerance is very very tight.something like .0003" to .0006" from a nominal size.<br /> but mechanically no its not a wear issue that caused the failure,in my opinion from the pictures, it was a routine,or lack of, maint issue that caused the failure. usually if the wall wears enough to form a ridge the rod bearings will get loose and fly apart, or that thin wristpin will, long before the piston fails.
 

jachunter

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Re: Bad or Good - Look at this Piston

thanks for the diagnosis guys..especially your detailed report rodbolt!
 
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