ball gear replacement

murphys_law

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I am new to the boating world. I have a 1976 Lund and the ball gears seem to be sheared... or close to it. I have a clymers manual and am considering taking on this task of replacing them. Any tips from the pros? or should this go to the shop. Is this a common thing to break?

Thanks:)
 

Lyndy

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Re: ball gear replacement

"Ball Gear" is a term I am familiar with an OMC Drive. If the boat is a 1976 typically the Drive is close in age. If that is true, the Ball Gear is held on with a nut. A rather typical problem. at least with my OMC was there was a lot of corrosion on the nut making it difficult but not impossible to get off. After you get an OEM OMC Service Manual for your year model drive, the instructions are quite straight forward. If you change one of the ball gears, you should also change its mate. Ball Gear Sets are available from many sources including here on Iboats. You can check out ebay for the Manual. I and many others have bought their manuals from searayman13. Below is a link to his site.

http://stores.ebay.com/SEARAYMAN13_...-1985_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ11QQftidZ2QQtZkm

I would also recommend a Parts Catalogue.

http://stores.ebay.com/SEARAYMAN13_...ATALOG_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ5QQftidZ2QQtZkm

Of coarse this all assuming that you have an OMC Outdrive. Although Ball Gears do wear out, I have not seen a lot of theads on this forum about them breaking.
 

murphys_law

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Re: ball gear replacement

Thanks for the reply and the links. It is a a OMC drive 190hp. What exactly is this ball gear drive. Yesterday we were just pulling away from shore when the steering wheel started to vibrate and it sounded like the crankshaft came apart. When we got it on the trailer I could see that these gears were in rough shape. The one has a nut that I can see and doesn't look too bad. The other side that goes ( I guess toward the engine ) looks like you must take alot apart to get to it. The transom seal is also leaking. I would guess this would be a good time to replace this too!
 

KaGee

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Re: ball gear replacement

I'd look for the GLM kit that includes all the gaskets and seals. Use care when disassembling the bearing seal carriers. Those are shims... not gaskets that are under the face. You want them intact so you can re-use them.

Don't run the engine with the drive up next time! ;)
 

wire2

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Re: ball gear replacement

If you can see the nut, the cover has come off.
A replacement set of ball gears, (OMC part #22050) comes with the 2 ball gears, (22010, 22020) as well as replacement seals, O-rings, 2 nuts and 2 domed stainless covers. There's a set on eBay now for $139.95 and $9.50 shipping to the lower 48.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&
sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=
130126586836&rd=1,1

Replacement is reasonably straight forward, after removing the outdrive.
I hold the ball gear with a welder's vise-grip, puncture the old cover with a scratch awl to remove it, remove the nut with a 1-1/8" socket, then place a puller on the ball gear. Replace the gear, then apply sealant on the threads and to the edge the domed cover, fit over the nut & press it flat with a wooden block and hammer. That expands the cover to make it grip the lip of the ball gear recess.

Refer to the manual for details I've omitted if you're actually doing it.
 

Manipulator

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Re: ball gear replacement

I have replaced mine not too long ago. As Kagee is implying, driving with the tilt in any position other than full down will really tear those ball gears up. I bought a kit off eBay for around $120. Basically, it will come with the seals and the large o-rings. One thing it does not come with is the inner seals in the intermediate housing. In my case I needed them as they were leaking and allowing gear lube to get in the bilge. Just a thought. If everything is looking good, you could just put the new ball gears on and be done with it. But, you have to go to the trouble to remove the shift cable and the drive so you midis well take the plunge and do the seals and I would put new impeller in it while you're at it. Besides, you say the boot leaks, so midis well do it all. As mentioned, the caps on the ball gear nuts typically fail and water gets in and rusts the nut and the shaft. My impact wrench wouldn't put a dent in it. I put the ball gear in a vice and used a breaker bar and it broke the damn vice! After going to the Home Depot for an even beefier vice and trying again, I still could not budge this damn thing. You're going to need heat so you won't be able to do this with the drive shaft and ball gear still in the intermediate or the upper (it will roast the seals). Hell, I even let it soak in penetrating oil overnight and no luck. Finally I secured it real good in the vice and heated it with a propane torch. I attached a 3 foot pipe to my breaker bar and that's what it took to break both them nuts lose. On reassembly you want to use loc-tite on the threads and the splines. Install the new seals back to back, use some sealer around the outside before you drive them in, pack the seals with OMC triple guard grease, and put plenty on the drive shaft splines too.
 

murphys_law

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Re: ball gear replacement

I just bought the manual from the searayman13. They mention special tools for this job. Can you get along with out these?

Thanks!!!!
 

Lyndy

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Re: ball gear replacement

No special tools per say if you are only going to replace the ball gears. I happen to have the wrench for the Ball Gear, but the are several on this board that will tell you how to do without it. If you go any further than that then special tools and experience may be required. Others will definetly pipe in here soon.
 

Lyndy

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Re: ball gear replacement

I have been watching ebay for that kit for months. That price is about the best I have found. I will continue to watch and hope for better deal for myself unless it becomes more urgent.
 

Manipulator

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Re: ball gear replacement

Good price on that set. I could have used Lyndys ball gear holder at the time but you can manage with a good strong vice. You can pry the seals out with a screwdriver. I used the vice to push the seals in part way on the upper unit ball gear assembly, then pushed them the rest of the way in with an over sized socket. The intermediate you can get them in with an oversized socket or large wood dowel. Remember they go in back to back.
 
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