Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Augoose

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My brand new interstate battery was completely drained twice in the course of fixing a battery drain issue I had. I've now got the drain issue fixed fixed, but do I need to go ahead and get a new battery now? It held a charge overnight and started fine the next morning, but I haven't verified its condition over a period longer than that. Its a marine starting battery - I don't recall the cranking amps off the top of my head - around 800 or so I think.

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Killing a new battery a couple of times won't hurt it noticeably. Just charge it at low amps, (high charging current creates hydrogen bubbles faster in the plates, some of them will knock particles of lead off the plates).
6-8 amps might take overnight but you'll be good to go.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Killing a new battery a couple of times won't hurt it noticeably. Just charge it at low amps, (high charging current creates hydrogen bubbles faster in the plates, some of them will knock particles of lead off the plates).
6-8 amps might take overnight but you'll be good to go.

Thanks for the reply. I had to jump it with another boat battery each time and then it charged on its own via the alternator while running the boat around all day. Would that be considered a "low amp" charge? Am I still good to go?

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

If its a starting battery, you have definitely reduced its capacity by allowing it to discharge multiple times. Do you use two batteries or one on your boat?
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

If its a starting battery, you have definitely reduced its capacity by allowing it to discharge multiple times. Do you use two batteries or one on your boat?

Currently I just have the one starting battery. I do have another deep cell battery from a old fishing boat that I intend to eventually tie into the electrical system, but that's down the road. The battery in question has a two year warranty, however I'm pretty sure this issue is outside warranty coverage.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Thanks for the reply. I had to jump it with another boat battery each time and then it charged on its own via the alternator while running the boat around all day. Would that be considered a "low amp" charge? Am I still good to go?

Thanks again
A jump is considerably more than 6-8 amps but it's usually only for 5-10 seconds, no biggie. The alternator will try to get the voltage up to ~13.5 fairly quickly, but will be limited by motor rpm. e.g., if you're idling, it will be quite low.

Just to put it in perspective, my previous car was an '01 Chrysler 300M. In the summer, if I'm working outside at the cottage, I'd turn the radio (320 watts) up with the windows open. Several times I killed the battery, (700CCA), put a charger on it, away we go. That original battery lasted until a few months ago, 9 years.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Several times I killed the battery, (700CCA), put a charger on it, away we go. That original battery lasted until a few months ago, 9 years.


I've drained my jeep battery several times and it keeps ticking and holds a nice charge as well, but I was wondering if a marine battery was a different animal. I put a priority start on it (device which automatically disconnects voltage when it senses the battery voltage drop below 11.5v) so hopefully I'll at least get a season or two out of it.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Currently I just have the one starting battery. I do have another deep cell battery from a old fishing boat that I intend to eventually tie into the electrical system, but that's down the road. The battery in question has a two year warranty, however I'm pretty sure this issue is outside warranty coverage.

Your warranty is still good...IF you don't volunteer the total discharge information!

Few people realize that all battery warranties are void if the battery is allowed to fully discharge....

Happy boating!
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

I've drained my jeep battery several times and it keeps ticking and holds a nice charge as well, but I was wondering if a marine battery was a different animal. I put a priority start on it (device which automatically disconnects voltage when it senses the battery voltage drop below 11.5v) so hopefully I'll at least get a season or two out of it.

Don't get in a habit of letting it get down to 11.5V. That is too low to expect any future battery life even if it was a deep discharge let alone a starting battery.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

I had to jump it with another boat battery each time and then it charged on its own via the alternator while running the boat around all day. Would that be considered a "low amp" charge? Am I still good to go?
Never ever use the boat's charging system to charge a dead or weak battery. You place the regulator/rectifier & stator at high risk of failure when doing this because it's not designed to do this.

A stator (alternator) on a boat is designed to maintain a well-charged battery.

ALWAYS use a battery charger on its lowest amperage setting to charge a dead or weak battery. That's what they're designed to do.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Never ever use the boat's charging system to charge a dead or weak battery.

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ALWAYS use a battery charger on its lowest amperage setting to charge a dead or weak battery. That's what they're designed to do.

I believe this is generally good practice for vehicles, too -- if it gets weak enough to require a jumpstart, bench charge it at your next opportunity. You might not be doing enough driving to bring it back up to 100%, putting it in a state of chronic undercharge and shortening its useful life.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

I believe this is generally good practice for vehicles, too -- if it gets weak enough to require a jumpstart, bench charge it at your next opportunity. You might not be doing enough driving to bring it back up to 100%, putting it in a state of chronic undercharge and shortening its useful life.
This is correct.

Battery type isn't as critical on a vehicle as an outboard because typically a vehicle is driven every day (or most every day of the week), thus it remains at its optimum charge via the alternator trickle-charging it on a regular basis.

Most outboards are not used every day, thus the battery has a lot of down time, giving it time to discharge. If the end user does not trickle-charge it off a battery charger before its next use, it's left up to the stator (alternator) to attempt to charge it to full capacity. And again...a stator is not designed to charge a weak or dead battery. When this happens, the weakest link in the circuit is placed in high risk of failure. That weak link(s) are the diodes in a regulator/rectifier. When they fail, the stator can no longer charge the battery.

This is why it's imperative to use a battery charger to trickle-charge the battery overnight before each & every use of the boat.

If the boat is used every day or at bottoms, every week of the year, then a battery charger isn't required. In this case, the trickle-charge that a stator gives the battery while in use is usually enough to keep the battery charged during an outboard's down time.

However, most folks do not use their boat each week of the year. Some folks do use their boat each week (or even every day) during the warm months or just Summer, but it's the off-season (late Fall-early Spring) when a battery sits for months with no charge applied that is a failed regulator/rectifier in waiting come next Spring.

March & April are BY FAR, the two months in which we receive the most calls for charging issues...when folks are just getting their boats going again. They've neglected to charge their battery off a battery charger before the first use of the season. They believe that an outboard's charging system is fully capable of charging a weak battery. Sometimes they get lucky if the battery hasn't discharged too much. But when it does discharge too much, they are usually left with a blown regulator/rectifier.

And even some of those folks replace their regulator/rectifier, but omit replacing the battery. Guess what happens to the new regulator/rectifier?

This is exactly why it's imperative to use the proper type battery that will stand up to the abuse (constant discharging & charging) that an outboard goes through. That way, if the end user happens to forget to charge his battery after extensive down time, they may be fortunate that they have not blown their regulator/rectifier.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Thanks to all for the advice and info. Unfortunately I ran into a couple obstacles when it did die and had no other choice than to let the alternator charge up the battery. The next issue is that I park the boat when its not in use at a public storage site and so hooking up the battery to a trickle charger is not feasible unless I take the battery with me every time I leave. I suppose I could do that, but what a PITA that would be.

Lastly regarding the priority start and the voltage cut off set to 11.5 volts, I know its not ideal however its designed to just save you in an emergency. Fortunately I'm not using it to treat my battery drain "symptoms" anymore as I think I have found the issue causing the drain (float switch was sending 11.3 volts to the bilge pump all the time, not just when there was water present).

Ideally, I might try to come up with a quick release kit for the battery so I can take it with me when I leave the boat and put it on the charger.

I've got a marine Minn kota charger MK110P that I used for my trolling motor when I had a fishing boat - its just like this one

Would that work as a trickle charger?

Thanks again all!
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Storage at less than 100% state of charge is a leading cause of premature battery failure.

A new battery will self-discharge by around 3% a month, and the rate accelerates as it ages. If you're using your boat every month you shouldn't see any problems. If you go more than a few weeks, it's best to top off the battery with a bench charger. That's what I do; it's less than ideal, but plenty good enough given the hassles of off-site storage without power.

You wouldn't want to leave a battery unattended for long periods connected to a traditional "trickle-charger" that supplies a constant 2- or 3-amp charge -- it can overcharge a battery, even boil it dry.

But a smart charger with a "float" or "maintain" mode like the one in your link is the ideal way to maintain a battery. You can leave it plugged in 24/7.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

The next issue is that I park the boat when its not in use at a public storage site and so hooking up the battery to a trickle charger is not feasible unless I take the battery with me every time I leave. I suppose I could do that, but what a PITA that would be.

A small solar trickle charger with a charge controller would be ideal for your purposes. Something like a 15 watt panel with a 5 amp controller would be enough.

Leave it hooked up when you store the boat and your battery will be charged and ready next time you head out.
 

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Re: Battery condition question- interstate starting battery

Just today I had to have a new battery put in my car. It's an '08 Dodge Charger SRT, with a huge battery in the trunk. I've had problems with the radio and amp a few times, had the dealer replace both 2 times because one or both were draining the battery when it was parked. Key out, radio off but staying warm to the touch.

This am I tried to take it in to get a 3rd radio installed, battery completely dead, after trickle charging it last weekend to 100%. Had to boost it to start the car, drove it 10 minutes at speed to dealer, turned key off, then tried to start; nothing. 2 yr old battery was toast.
 
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