battery melting and general questions

michigander

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I recently bought a 20 ft kayote with a v8 5l omc I/O. It has been sitting for two years in the elements. I replaced the belts and patched the exhaust manifold as best I could. I poured some marvel mystery oil in the headers and let it soak. Replaced the belts. I wanted to crank it up to warm the oil up so I took it to the boat launch so it would have water for the prop and engine. The problem occured when I hooked up the deep cycle battery it came with and cranked it up. It turned over slowly so its not siezed but after a few seconds the battery started smoking and the terminals melted.

Is this due to a short, or because it wasnt a starter battery? Do I need both a deep cycle and a starter? Also any general tips about any part would be helpful. I bought the whole boat, motor, trailer for $200. Should I flip it and go for something newer or would this be worth getting moving?

Again im new to I/O. Any information would be helpful.
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: battery melting and general questions

Welcome to Iboats.

patched the exhaust manifold as best I could

I take it they were cracked? This is a red flag for other issues if they were. They may be internally cracked, and allowing water into the exhaust valves. Still worse, if they are cracked due to freezing, theres a really good chance your block, heads, and intake manifold may be cracked too.


I poured some marvel mystery oil in the headers and let it soak.

Does this mean you poured oil into the exhaust? If the engine had any open exhaust valves, the oil may have run into the cylinders, causing a hydro-lock situation.

I don't think the battery was the main issue you had going on here. You may have an engine with hydro-locked cylinders that is either filled with water or MMO. Other possibility is an issue with high resistance in the battery cables from corrosion, loose or corroded battery cable ends, or an issue with the starter it's self. If you intend to keep the boat, I would start by getting new cables, replacing your battery if need be. Then pull the spark plugs out of the engine and turn it over with the starter to see if anything comes out of the cylinders.

You are dealing with a drive made by a manufacturer no longer in business. Parts are somewhat available, but at a cost. It's your call what you do with the boat, but based on the previous fact, and the statement you made about the boat being in the elements, there is a good chance there is more wrong with this boat besides the engine. A rotted deck, stringers, and transom could all be possible.

Good luck!
 

michigander

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Re: battery melting and general questions

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As you can see (I hope, this is my first time trying to post pictures) the exhaust manifold crack. If I had to guess I think it was from weather. I dont really know how to check if the block is cracked but I am guessing that the oil would have leaked out, which isint the case.

As far as the marvel mystery oil, i mispoke. I didnt put it in the headers, i poured it down the valve covers. I read on this forum that I should do that to clean and lubricate the pistons.

Im going to try your idea about removing the plugs and let the starter clean out the engine. Also I will check my battery wires very well and replace if need be.

But is there a problem at all with using a deep cycle battery for starting this thing? Im guessing since this is just basically a car engine thats what I should go with but im still uncertain.

Thanks for the help.

Oh and by the way
model # 504SPHRCOM
983488

Serial # j 852543
j 380816
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: battery melting and general questions

As you can see (I hope, this is my first time trying to post pictures) the exhaust manifold crack. If I had to guess I think it was from weather. I don't really know how to check if the block is cracked but I am guessing that the oil would have leaked out, which isn't the case.

May not necessarily leak oil, the potential damage is in the water jackets of the block, heads, intake, and exhaust manifolds. These can either crack outwardly and leak water into the bilge, and/or crack internally and leak water into the cylinders and/or crank case. That manifold is beyond cracked, it's out-right broken (and should be replaced). I would highly suspect freeze damage after looking at that. You need to run water through the system to determine if the block is cracked. You would obviously see water leaking into the bilge if the block is cracked externally. Signs of internal cracks are hydro-locking, and milky oil.

As far as the marvel mystery oil, i misspoke. I didn't put it in the headers, i poured it down the valve covers. I read on this forum that I should do that to clean and lubricate the pistons.

OK. So you poured it into the crankcase correct? MMO may help to de-sludge the engine, as far as lubricating the pistons, thats what the engine oil is for.

I'm going to try your idea about removing the plugs and let the starter clean out the engine. Also I will check my battery wires very well and replace if need be.

Sounds good. Take a look at your plugs as you pull them out. If they are damp then theres a good chance you have water in the cylinders. If they are rusty, then theres a good chance water was in the cylinders, and has potentially rusted the cylinders and bound up the rings. Also good to look at the condition of the plugs to determine if the engine has been running lean or rich, and if there is any oil fouling.

But is there a problem at all with using a deep cycle battery for starting this thing? I'm guessing since this is just basically a car engine thats what I should go with but I'm still uncertain.

Truth be told, all we use in our Glastron is an everstart(walmart) deep cycle battery. That is the only battery in the boat. Works fine by us. Others may disagree and say you need a starting battery. Personally I think for testing purposes right now, just stick to what you have as long at it's fully charged, and wasn't to badly damaged by letting the smoke out of it. May want to check the electrolyte level in the battery if its been sitting for a while.

Oh and by the way
model # 504SPHRCOM
983488

Serial # j 852543
j 380816

Looks like you have a 1985 stringer. Please keep in mind parts for this drive system can be expensive, and sometimes no longer available new which would mean you would need to chase down a used replacement and cross your fingers that it works and lasts. I wouldn't get married to this boat. If you can get the engine running good, and the drive functions correctly, then great. I would still be checking the wood in this boat for rot.

As a final precautionary note, if you are able to sort all this out, and get the engine running, you should be considering installing a new impeller in the drive. Sounds like the previous owner was lax on maintenance, so this boat no-doubt needs the impeller replaced.
 

wire2

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Re: battery melting and general questions

Melted battery posts are due to resistance in the connection from posts to the cable clamps. After cleaning, coat the posts and clamps with grease, then tighten. That will keep oxygen from causing an insulating film and green corrosion to form.
 
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