Bayliner 2452 "Classic" marine toilet replacement... compact to standard size??

[bigblock454]

Bayliner 2452 "Classic" marine toilet replacement... compact to standard size??

Hey folks! I'm doing quite a bit of work on my "Classic" this weekend! Got a question for Classic owners (mine's a 1993), Will an "standard" size marine toilet fit in the head, without modification? There's not a lot of room behind the bowl/hinge area with the "compact" model in there now. I can post a pic of available (or lack of) room. I have no idea how much longer towards the rear (shut up :facepalm: ) they are. I want to purchase the new toilet asap, so please help if you can. Thank you. Updates coming!

Norm

 

[bigblock454]

Here's what I have for space behind toilet. Naturally I don't mind if the standard bowl is longer to the front, I have to watch how much longer it is to the rear to be able to fit with no mods to mounting or plumbing. Perhaps a trip to WM is in order. I believe they have models on display. I will post my findings here, if so. Maybe it'll help someone in the future. Thanks.

Norm

 

[bigblock454]

Oh well... local WM only has compact models to choose from. No purchase today. Anyone here make the switch from manual pump to 12v electric macerating type? Guess I'll poke around YouTube for a bit. I hear some are quite noisy. Anyway, happy Spring!

Norm

 

[bigblock454]

Ugh... Trying to be "realistic" with the expectations and use of this little boat. I see an occasional overnight stay in a cove. Certainly no "long term" camp outs. Maybe should just replace with whats already in there. I just want a new (read never used) one. Current unit has a cracked plastic pump housing (perhaps from not winterizing?). How "good" are the manual pump heads? Are they prone to clogging? Do they handle "solids" well? Sorry for the "foul" subject, but hey... this is some of what goes with boat ownership, right? Anyway, I thought long and hard about the "porta-pot" vs holding tank thing, and would like to aim for a proper functioning holding tank system, that the boat is already equipped with. My parents like to come aboard from time to time for an extended day cruise, or to watch airshows from the water. I've noticed that some are hesitant to be "the first one" to use the porta-potti in my cuddy (some boat owners strive for that hesitation), but I would like for my cruiser to be as inviting as possible, so I opt for the pumping out, and all that goes with the built in head.So back to the "solids" question... Are the manual pump units "up to the task"? If so, I will order the replacement Jabsco unit online asap.

Thanks,
Norm

 

[Mikeopsycho]

I have a manual pump on my head, and it works fine. I've never had a blockage on my system, knock on wood, although my brother in law did have a major, messy blockage with his electric head. If you make sure to pump a bit of water into the bowl before use, use as little toilet paper as you can get away with, then pump the handle a few times to make sure the waste goes all the way to the holding tank and is not sitting in the hose between the head and the tank, you should be fine. Oh, and besides a minimal amount of t-p, the only thing that goes into the head has to belong there. No feminine hygiene products, no paper towels, etc. Use holding tank chemicals for odor control, I like the granules rather than liquid products myself, less chance of messy spills :facepalm:.I have read that there is a tendency to use too much water with a manual head versus electric, therefor more frequent pump-outs. I had a porta-potty in my previous boat which worked ok and of course was cheaper to empty than the marine holding tank. If it was up to me I'd fix what's there and call her good.

 

[bigblock454]

I can't thank you enough for that reply Mikeo! I'm inclined to stay with what I have, and make sure it is in good shape. I was really worried about the ability of the manual pump to "carry away "solids"... after all, that doesn't look like a very big hose (discharge)! But I'm sure it was designed for just the purpose it was intended! Now, just wondering if to stay with "compact" bowl, or see if the "standard" would fit. The compact bowl really looks good for "one or the other", and not both ! Thanks again for your insight!

Norm

 

[Mikeopsycho]

I should've said, ours is the Jabsco "compact" model. We're not exactly "compact" people, but it serves our purposes fine. If I had to buy a new toilet I'd look into the "standard" size I guess, but I wouldn't upgrade unless I needed a replacement. Our holding tank is 10 gallon.

 

[DeepBlue2010]

One thing to keep in mind with electric flushing system is that they are using 1 gallon per flush. You can verify this with your dealer but I am sure as I was looking at one last year and decided to stay with what I got unless I want to upsize the holding tank. Manual flushing takes much less water per flush and you can control the amount based on the visit number (1 vs 2)

For future reference, the terminology you used can lead to some confusion. The pump out process usually referring to emptying the holding tank while emptying the bowl is usually referred to as flushing. Best of luck to you.