Bitrate with MP3's?????

drewmitch44

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whats up with the bitrate when downloading MP3's??? Someone tole me that you should get at least 128 bitrate when downloading them. But, ive noticed that sometimes when i get one with a 128 bitrate it sounds crappy. What bitrate do the cd manufactures use when they produce CD's? Just wondering cause i want to have the best sound quality as possible when i download my music and put it on cd's. Most of the time i dont burn the cd's right to the disk because my car cd player does not read MP3-CD's. So im using NERO burning Rom (Nero Burning Rom 6) to extract the MP3's to whatever format it does. It works and does play but some songs dont sound very great some not even radio quality. I can say that i use limewire to download most of my media since i get like 400 KB/s, so that means i get a song in like 15 seconds. That is the fastest file sharing prog. ive used. The other nite i got a divx movie that was 705 MB and it took about 20 minutes. So what am i looking for when im geting music as far as quality? Thanks the help!!!!
 

Nandy

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

In stereo it is 1411 kpbs, if you were to have a rip program that will rip to that quality you would have huge files. 128 bit rate is decent enough, I do 192 for all my cds. I think the issue you might find with music that sounds crappy is degraded files or a very slow machine ripping.
Limewire is a great p2p software but the speed that you have is not due necessarily to limewire but your connection and the quality connection from the user providing the file.
 

drewmitch44

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

In KBPS i mean my bandwidth speed. or the download speed. That dosent have anything really to do with the quality of the mp3. Even if i was dial up i can download the same things. Yea it would take a lot lot longer but would be the same file. I am getting 400 kb/s. thats the speed that the download is going. When i had DSL service I could only get about 50 kb/s at the most. Thats still fine it took about 2 min. to download a 4MB song something like that at the speed i have now it takes about 10-15 seconds. My friend has that FIOS service and he dosent get the speeds im seing with my cable internet. I think he is getting 8000 down and 3-4000 up. When i bandwidth test im getting 11,000 down and about 3-4000 up.
 

kmk_7110

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

320 is the highest bitrate possible and cds from the store are that if i'm not mistaken and when ripped to pc there should be and option to change bitrate. when i download off of limewire i go with a larger size file and usually have decent quality of music. just my 2 cents.
 

i386

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

As said before, the higher the bitrate the better the sound quality but also the larger the file. Also, some devices can't play files with high bitrates (some cell phones for example). Honestly, 128 sounds fine to me, but I always encode to 320. I figure that one day I may have a better home stereo system than I have now and I'll appreciate the quality then. Some day I plan to build a mp3 jukebox with a touch screen interface that will house my whole collection. Disk drives are getting larger and cheaper all the time so I don't worry about the size so much. I've already ripped and encoded my entire CD collection at 320. I guess I'm just paranoid that I'd have to redo that at some later date if I'd used 128.

For most of my collection I ripped with EAC (Exact Audio Copy) and encoded with LAME. The ones I've done in Linux I ripped with CDParanoia and used the LAME or Blade encoder compiled for Linux.

I've gotten a little lazy as of late and used Windows Media Player to rip and encode. I hope I don't regret that later. I always use mp3 format so I don't run into any DRM issues in the future. By default, Windows Media Player wants to use its native format instead of mp3. It's nice to have the freedom to play my files on any of my computers, laptops, phones, mp3 players, and my truck. That's why I stick with mp3 format.

CD Ripping in a nutshell...

When you "rip" a CD, you're extracting the CD Audio from the disc and converting that to .wav format. This is a very large file (as in 60-100MB or more).

To make the mp3, you use an encoder to compress the large wav file into the much smaller mp3 file. Any time you compress anything you're going to lose some quality. MP3 is a lossy (but not lousy :p ) format for sound much the same as JPG is a lossy format for images.

Most modern canned "ripping software" will do both of these steps as such that the novice user is shielded from the reality that it's 2 seperate things (ripping and encoding). Windows Media Player does this for example. This is one reason I use EAC since it lets the user set the path to their own external encoding program of their choice.

Another trivial tidbit.... MP3 encoding is a CPU intensive task. Back in 1999 when I had a Pentium 133MHz computer, it could take an hour just to encode one song. I had a small collection of random singles back then that I'd queue up in my Winamp 1.x or 2.x player and listen to them on my computer. It worked my computer so hard back then that I could barely use the computer for other tasks while listening to mp3's. Today, it's trivial to do that.

More info...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3
 

Nandy

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

In KBPS i mean my bandwidth speed. or the download speed. That dosent have anything really to do with the quality of the mp3.

I agree but that is not what I was trying to say. When I read the op I got the feeling that you were attributing your download speed to Limewire and not to your ISP.
 

mscher

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Re: Bitrate with MP3's?????

Not sure what songs you are downloading, but there are a lot of MP3 files out there, that were created from older, non-digital sources, such as magnetic tape or even phonograph.

Ripping from digital sources is usually pretty straight forward, as other's have stated, but analog can be all over the place, quality-wise, even if the MP3 was created with a high bit rate.

They might even sound like the originals, with this hisses and pops (needle skips), or maybe recorded at too low/high volume.

Regards
 
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