Boat died QUICK

ryanr623

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This past sunday I was out with friends on erie. On the way to turtle island i hit a patch of shallow ground and chewed up the prop really good. Surprised it actually worked to be honest. Thats neither here nor there, just frustrated. We got to turtle, stayed for a couple hours and left. On the way back after about a half hour, the boat just died.... quickly. No sputtering, no choking, .... it was as if someone just turned the key off. I tried to restart. It cranked and cranked but wouldnt fire. (felt like it was out of fuel, or no spark) At least it wasnt locked up!

My mechanic said that it is usually the points/condenser that fail when you die that fast. Just would like some second opinions, before i check everything out.

Notes:

-I'm going to check for spark today
-1982 Mercruiser 120
-oil pressure, temp, volt meter were all reading good
-Lower unit was functioning perfect even though i chewed the prop
 

ryanr623

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Re: Boat died QUICK

I have never heard of or seen points or condensers failing that quick while running. But it does sound like an ignition failure.
If you find you have no spark. Have a look at this thread http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=335407

Thanks for the info! That thread makes it simple enough. I usually test the spark plugs for spark one by one. Is this OK rather then use a spark tester at the coil? I figure im gonna remove and check them all anyways.

I hold the plug on the block while a friend cranks her over. Is this ok?
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

Had a similar problem once. Main HT lead had come out of the coil. Pushed it back in and all was good again.
 

ryanr623

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Re: Boat died QUICK

Had a similar problem once. Main HT lead had come out of the coil. Pushed it back in and all was good again.

Pardon me for sounding stupid, but what is HT stand for?
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

When points go usually you still run but very rough or back fire through carb. Point could be welded closed, I'd check coil wire to dis. cap they like to shake loose and will cause instant eng. stop. Pull plug wire off on plug insert screw driver into wire cap and hold close to block and crank to check for spark.
 

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When points go usually you still run but very rough or back fire through carb. Point could be welded closed, I'd check coil wire to dis. cap they like to shake loose and will cause instant eng. stop. Pull plug wire off on plug insert screw driver into wire cap and hold close to block and crank to check for spark.

I feel a little dumb for not checking that stuff when i was out. Damn good thing i have tow insurance! Never go out on big water without it!
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

Loose ground on an electric fuel pump can ruin your day in a hurry.
 

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Don, is it possible the points got loose from the plate?
 

ryanr623

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Re: Boat died QUICK

I say it means high tension but he/she was talking about the coil wire to dizzy cap, I believe.

I figured that he meant the wire as well.

I do not believe (correct me if im wrong) i have an electric fuel pump. If the fuel pump was failing anyways, doesnt it usually sputter for a couple seconds then die? Mine was like someone turned off the key.... so im 99% sure its ignition related.

I will check everything over (as i should've done on the water) and check that everything is secured correctly.
 
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Hi just wondering did you find out what the problem was?, as i had a very similar episode last weekend and the mechanic originally thought we had run out of petrol and so on, if you could let me know that'd be great, thanks.
 

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Hi just wondering did you find out what the problem was?, as i had a very similar episode last weekend and the mechanic originally thought we had run out of petrol and so on, if you could let me know that'd be great, thanks.

To be completely honest i have been unable to test the boat.... however, i know its not the coil to dizzy wire. Either the coil, distributor, or points cap and rotor completely destroyed itself. I'll find out after i test.
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

To be completely honest i have been unable to test the boat.... however, i know its not the coil to dizzy wire. Either the coil, distributor, or points cap and rotor completely destroyed itself. I'll find out after i test.
If you can easily get to and remove the distributor cap, you can easily test for spark thru the coil.

Remove the distributor cap and check to see that the points are closed. If so, then pull the HT wire out of the distributor cap and check that it reaches to ground. Then you can turn the key on and simply break the connection between the points using a screwdriver or, better yet, a non-conductor like a piece of wood or a stick. Hold the loose end of the HT wire (coming out of the coil) to ground, or just shy of ground, as you would when checking for spark at the spark plug. Be careful you don't jolt yourself with the HT wire when you break the points open.

When you have the key on (voltage to the points), breaking the points is what triggers the spark thru the coil. So by simply making and breaking the points (with the key on), you are making spark thru the coil HT wire, and you will see it jump to ground.

That's an easy way to do it without a helper and without having to crank the engine. Cranking the engine simply turns the distributor which, in turn, makes and breaks the points.

If you use a screwdriver to break the points, be sure that it's not grounding out and thus completing the circuit such that opening the points isn't breaking the circuit. That's tricky, so that's why it's better to use a nonconductor to break the points (wood, plastic, etc).

If the points aren't closed, you can either turn the engine a bit until they are closed, or simply "ground them closed" by completing the circuit between them using a screwdriver (with a good wood or plastic handle, although that's not HT you're dealing with there). If you do it that way, it's best not to actually complete the circuit at the contact points themselves as this may tend to burn them a bit, not doing them any good. You can simply complete the circuit somewhere else along the arm of the points and ground.

Obviously, the better way is to simply have the points closed to start with.

If you do it this way and have good HT spark through the coil, then you can likely be sure there's spark at the plugs. Unless your rotor is broken or there's some other wacky problem with the rotor/cap/spark plug wire(s).

You can test for that at the spark plug with your helper, as per normal (with the cap back on and everything back together, of course).

But the initial test will confirm good strong spark thru the coil, which elimnates the coil and the points as culprits (dirty or badly corroded/burned points can mean a faulty primary circuit connection, which translates to weak or no HT spark).

If your points themselves don't spark a bit when you break 'em, then you need to test for voltage to the points, and make sure that there's voltage (12v) at the points themselves.

If you have a bad condenser it could act as a ground wire and prevent you from getting any HT spark. You can take it out of the circuit and see if that gives you the HT spark that was missing when it was connected. The engine will run without the condenser. Its function is to soak up the "excess spark" when the points break (that would otherwise unduly burn the points and shorten their life).
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

also may sound dumb but check for voltage to coil ... sometimes your lanyard can fail or get jogged enough to kill voltage all together
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

also may sound dumb but check for voltage to coil ... sometimes your lanyard can fail or get jogged enough to kill voltage all together

Doesn't sound dumb at all. I'd be there before I ever even thought of getting near cap, points, plugs and so on.
 

ryanr623

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Re: Boat died QUICK

also may sound dumb but check for voltage to coil ... sometimes your lanyard can fail or get jogged enough to kill voltage all together

where is the lanyard at? I have never seen one on my boat. 1982 imperial mercruiser 120

Still havent gotten over to storage to check her out... i know im slacking!
 

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Re: Boat died QUICK

where is the lanyard at? I have never seen one on my boat. 1982 imperial mercruiser 120

Ayuh,... At that age, I doubt it's so equiped...
 

ryanr623

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Re: Boat died QUICK

Ayuh,... At that age, I doubt it's so equiped...

Gotcha. Im thinking it may be a bad coil, because ive had a number of people tell me, even though my mechanic said different, that points failing usually doesnt shut you down right away.

Mine didnt stutter, spit, cough nothing. Like someone turned off the key. And it wouldnt start again.... crank all day no start.

Hopefully i'll get down there this weekend.
 
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