Broken driveshaft alpha 1

Fishermark

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Sorry about the long post but I have several questions.<br /><br />I took the boat out Saturday, (24' Sportcraft walk around, 5.7 liter Mercruiser, alpha 1, gen 1), was enjoying a leisurely cruise, about 3,000 rpms, about 3 miles offshore when it felt like we hit something. (I don't think we did, it just felt like it). The engine ran fine, but the outdrive wouldn't go back into gear - either forward or reverse. Got towed back in (Membership in Seatow is a wonderful thing!! :cool: ).<br /><br />At the house I took out the lower plug and milky oil came out. :eek: <br /><br />Took off the top cover and was able to pull the top of the drive shaft completely out. It had snapped off clean right at the top of the driven gear. (That can't be a good thing, right? :rolleyes: )<br /><br />Questions:<br />1) First, regarding the water in the oil. I recently replaced the water pump on this outdrive. When I drained the oil to separate the lower unit from the upper, the oil was fine - no evidence of water. (I had the outdrive resealed last summer). After putting in a new water pump kit I reassembled the lower unit with a new quad ring (o-ring). The only thing that makes sense is that I must have knocked the quad ring out somehow during reassembly. I realize this is a little late now, but I plan on pressure testing the outdrive every time I do any kind of work on it from now on. Is there a fitting you can buy to do this with an air compressor? Is 15 pounds the right amount of pressure to use? Is it necessary or common to vacuum AND pressure test the unit?<br /><br />2) A related question regarding the water in the oil. I am assuming the broken drive shaft is a result of the water in the oil - something must have frozen up due to lack of proper lubrication. But when I removed the top cover I noticed the the level wasn't down, and I only had maybe three hours of operation after replacing the water pump. Is it possible that the broken drive shaft occured from something else? In other words, when it broke, maybe it broke something else internally which broke into the water jacket and caused a mix of the water and oil?<br /><br />3) I realize this may be a hard question to answer, but is there a "typical" amount of damage that occurs when this happens? Will I luck out and only need to replace the drive shaft typically? Or does it shred everything else inside? (Ironically enough, when I removed the top, the teeth on the drive gear look perfect. In fact the driveshaft popped cleanly in two - almost like it was cut with a saw.<br /><br />I don't plan on doing this repair myself, but I would like to have an idea of what I am looking at before the tech tears into it.
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

1) Drain it and pressure/vacuum test it.(15psi is correct) This should be done anytime you have it apart, just to prevent this situation.<br /><br />2)I doubt the driveshaft broke from water in the oil. but only a comprehensive exam will determine this. Take the entire drive apart. If for no other reason than to clean and inspect it. ( Seal kits are cheap! )<br /><br />3) See... #2. It's possible that the shaft was cracked, if you're not sure, look at the break, or have someone versed in "failure analysis" look at it for you. Mercury has a great video on this subject.
 

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Thanks Rabidfish. (I like that name by the way :D ) When you say Mercury has a great video on this subject. Does that mean they have had a problem with this happening in the past - as in a recall of failed shafts perhaps? :confused:
 

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No, I mean Mercury has a great video on failure analysis. How to tell what caused a part to break, whether it was a defect, or an impact with an object. I'll try to find a part # for the video, and report back.
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

just a comment....iboats is advertizing uppers for $899 and whole units upper and lower for $1999...so tell your tech to work cheap! you wont beat that price
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

Boy,... That $uck$........<br /><br />1)I think you're on the Right Track there,.....<br />The Fitting is 3/8thsX16,.... I just stole 1 off the end of a broken Oil Bottle Pump......The 1 you use to Fill the drive.....<br /><br />2) I think you Might just have 2 Seperate Issues.... <br />Have you inspected the drained oil for metal ??<br />How about looking the prop over,... Maybe a piece of Floatsom.....<br /><br />I Bet it broke, Right at the Oring groove.....<br />That's another issue with the alphas.... I hear the New shafts don't have the groove......<br /><br />And,.. Of Course,... Maybe it was just the Time for it to go...... <br />You might get lucky,+ there'll be no other damage.... It's got to come apart to fix it Anyway,...<br /><br />Good Luck....
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

Bondo is about right<br /> the alphas with a oring groove in the shaft had a tendany to snap at the groove for no apearent reason. when they do it will leak water in. the replacement shaft will have no no groove. takes a few speacial tools to properly replace the shaft. but I would also dissasemble the upper and inspect the seal surface on the driven gear. the alpha lower shaft seal seals water out and the driven gear seal seals oil in. if the shaft is missing or broken the driven gear seal may allow water in.thats the whole point of a pressure and a vaccum test on those units.
 

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I don't think you'd have the impression you hit something unless you did.If the drive shaft just let go it would feel like shifting into neutral.<br />Perhaps some debris floating just below the surface stopped the prop ? I doubt you were wake jumping (grin). <br /><br />Just reread your post .... are you talking about the short (5 inch) upper drive shaft in the upper drive housing ? ?<br /><br />DHP
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

I thought we were talking about the stub shaft in the upper also...
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

It is a short shaft - Here's a picture of the part I am talking about:<br />
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<br /><br />As I said, the only thing I have done so far is to remove the top cover. The teeth visible on the drive gear look perfect, but since I haven't drained the oil I can't see very far down - I can't see the driven gear at all.<br /><br />And yes, it did in fact snap off right at the o-ring groove. (The only reason I know that is becasue I felt down in the oil and found an o-ring laying on top of the driven gear).<br /><br />I may very well just buy an new upper unit from Sterndrive engineering. They are not far from my home and I can pick up an brand new unit from them for $595. I have a mobile mechanic coming over for a quick evaluation. I will let you know what is discovered!<br /><br />PS - Here is a link to the sterndrive upper unit. Someone posted a question about them previously. They seem to be good units. But I personally have no knowledge of them - good or bad. Upper unit
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

Fishermark,<br /><br />Your picture shows the upper driveshaft intact.The lower driveshaft is part of the lower unit.That's what sounds broken.<br />The driveshaft is not a single piece running from top to bottom.It is two separate parts.<br /><br />DHP
 

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Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. That picture isn't an actual picture of my unit, it is a picture showing the part I am talking about. It is the part in the picture that has the bearing on the top and the gear below. THAT shaft is snapped in two on mine.
 

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WOW ! !This is getting interesting as well as challenging.I like it !<br />What does the snapped shaft look like?A jagged break,or maybe just came disengaged from the gear?<br />Is the break along the main diameter of the shaft,of is it at the end,where the shaft is a smaller diameter?<br />DHP
 

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I think he means the lower shaft has twisted off the splines at the O-ring groove. The piece must be still stuck in the gear...<br /><br />In which case Bondo and Rodbolt are correct...
 

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Bondo and Rodbolt described it exactly right. As they always do! :D <br />
the alphas with a oring groove in the shaft had a tendany to snap at the groove for no apearent reason. when they do it will leak water in.
For what it is worth, for my own peace of mind, I also hope Rodbolt is right that the water in the oil is a RESULT of the break, and not the CAUSE. ;)
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

Being a Taurus is sometimes hard,but I enjoy it.<br /><br />The short upper drive shaft (shown in the picture) is pressed into the driven gear.Between them is an oring.<br />Rereading these posts,the driven gear is still in the upper gearcase,and had an oring sitting on it.<br /><br />DHP having fun
 

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Just a quick update for those following this post. I removed the lower unit and discovered, (much to my dismay, if not surprise :rolleyes: ), that the splines on the driveshaft on the lower unit are stripped. Apparently something must have locked up in the lower unit, and broke the upper too. I will definately be looking to buy another outdrive I believe instead of having this one rebuilt. By the time the various shafts, gears, etc are replaced I will have the cost of a new one invested!
 

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Re: Broken driveshaft alpha 1

:( .........<br /><br />Any insight into Why ??
 

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I have no idea what caused the problem. I know I didn't hit anything - no marks on the prop nor any other visible damage. I think something inside just decided it didn't like life anymore.
 

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I am going to go out on a limb and say that may have been from a previous impact. Either from you or a previous owner.<br /><br />Sometimes,(especially with a SS prop) even a smaller impact can damage something "upstream" of the prop.(read: shafts, gears, etc...) You may not even know it. Most shops do not magnuflux every drive component for a bent propeller blade. <br /><br />I have had prop damage jobs, that later had gear damage that simply didn't show up untill big pieces broke off. Not all cracks are visible to the naked eye. <br /><br />If you had a recent insurance claim,(for impact with submerged object) you may get this covered under a supplemental claim. <br /><br />If you have coverage you might want to rethink whether you "hit something" or not. (Don't you remember the rock your wife hit while you were grilling brats onshore?)
 
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