Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

[Willyclay]

Trying to help a bud get his 1990 Evinrude 60 three-cylinder (VE60TLESM) running so he can sell it. It will start and run for 10-15 seconds when primed but will not continue to run if priming is discontinued even with the fast-idle lever in the full-up position. He does not remember if he put stabilizer in the E10 fuel 11 months ago so my guess is the carbs are gummed up. I tried some ethanol-free fresh fuel from my portable tank with the same results. Will be opening things up tomorrow without a service manual and would appreciate some input about any suspect areas, gotcha's and do's/don'ts. Thanks!

 

[Haffiman]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

Get a spray can of 'carb and choke cleaner', remove all jets and clean. Be sure to use a mix of 2% oil in the fuel (in addition to the VRO) during testing until you get it working.

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

Thanks for your quick response! I always use fresh 50:1 premix when fooling with other people's motors because you just never know what is in their tanks OR if the VRO is working, if so equipped. At the link below, I identifed three jets/needle valves/orifce plugs that will need to be removed and cleaned; items no. 14, 15 & 22. Please correct me if I am wrong. Also intend shooting carb cleaner into the fuel inlet, #6, in case crud is affecting the inlet valve. It appears that I can do all this without removing the carbs which is desired. Guess I will go make one of Tashasdaddy's special jet removal tools out of an old No. 2 Phillips screwdriver. Will report results. May be a few days.

http://www.marineengine.com/parts/j...LESM&manufacturer=Evinrude&section=Carburetor

 

[daselbee]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

So, if I read this right, you do NOT want to remove the carbs?

If so, you are making a mistake. To do it right you must remove, disassemble and clean. This includes removing the welch plugs.

So, if you do decide to remove and disassemble, you will want to look very carefully at the two tubes that extend down into the float bowl from the top carb body. Those tubes, a small one, and a large one, get clogged. The small one will be for your idle circuit, which is where the problem is. They are not shown on drawings.

Your carb may be different, but the concept is the same: Clean thoroughly the very small fuel circuit paths.

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

I'm back with good news and bad news! Went through the carbs with spray cleaner as planned and did not identify any blockages but that may have been wishful thinking. Checked fuel flow through the fuel filter and verified the VRO is pumping fuel. With a fully-charged battery, tried starting it again with zero results. Even sprayed premix directly into carb throats. No pops, sputters or anything that sounded like ignition. An automotive spark tester on each of the three plugs did NOT indicate any spark. Now for the rest of that story!

My bud told me the last time he had it out one year ago, it just stopped running and would not restart. Two hours later, it started and ran normally allowing him to get back to the ramp. I hate intermittant problems!

I pulled a copy of CDI troubleshooting guide for these motors but they differentiate between motors with and without something called "Quick-Start". I have the OMC Owner's Manual and it only mentions S.L.O.W. Can anybody tell me what it is and how will I know if this motor does or does not have it?

Finally, before attempting to start the motor I found the black wire pulled loose from the connector in the attached picture. Sorry about the quality! Will do over if it will help. I reinstalled the wire into the AMP connector and verified continuity with my VOM. Could this be the problem?

I'm flying blind without a service manual or wiring diagram. Can anybody help with either of those items? Thanks, Bill

 

[daselbee]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

Not likely that black wire is the problem.

First thing the CDI tips say is disconnect the harness from the motor. Ck for spark. Have you done that?

Also, look into the possibility of the safety lanyard switch in the control being faulty.
Disconnecting the harness form the motor will eliminate this is a possibility, unless it is intermittent.

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

First thing the CDI tips say is disconnect the harness from the motor. Ck for spark. Have you done that?

Thanks for your response. My CDI info says "1. Disconnect the Black/Yellow stop wire AT THE POWER PACK and retest." This is the same no. 1. item with or without Quick-Start. I cannot find "disconnecting the harness from the motor" anywhere in this info.

If I disconnect the harness from the motor and retest for spark, how do I spin the motor faster than the minimum required 250 RPM's for the "system to spark properly"? My only thought was to use jumper cables from the battery directly to the starter lugs but was concerned I might damage some electronics in the process. Remember, this is not my motor AND I am not getting paid! to work on it!

 

[daselbee]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

I stand corrected.

But, disconnecting the harness is a quick and dirty check to find if the problem is in the boat wiring, or at the motor.

On my V6 looper, the black/yellow kill wire at the pack is under the pack, and hard to access, therefore, just unplug the harness.....

Yes, disconnect the harness, use a remote start switch on the solenoid, or jump the small solenoid terminal with the yellow/red wire to the battery positive terminal on the solenoid, or use jumper cables directly to the starter....any of those methods you feel comfortable with.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...qOOKT9KZM-Xs2QWA_PHACQ&sqi=2&ved=0CGcQ8gIwAQ#


You ideally should have all plugs out, and use a spark gap tester to see if the spark jumps 7/16 in. Using a neon style tester will verify that it is sparking, but it will not indicate the quality of the spark (voltage).

If you do make the mistake of somehow starting it with the harness disconnected....well there is no way to shut it off unless you re-connect the harness, or choke it with rags in the carb throats.
So be careful there.

You state the first step on the CDI debugging tips....but you don't say whether you have actually done it, and what the results were.

We need details.

EDIT: A 1990 60 probably has SLOW. I am not absolutely sure, but probably does.
Even so, whether it does or doesn't, it will not kill spark.

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

You state the first step on the CDI debugging tips....but you don't say whether you have actually done it, and what the results were. We need details.

Thanks for clarifying the procedures for me. No further action taken today while battery recharges. Will report back asap!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Bud's Evinrude 60 will not run

Well, I lost a day to a bad battery charger and got back after it today. It started and ran well on the first crank! Had to do a little adjusting of the low-speed needles to get it to settle down once it warmed up but I declared it a victory. My prayers were answered because I never disconnected any wires, plugs, etc. to do any further troubleshooting. My belief at this point is my bud's gas was bad and that's why it would not run initially. Somewhere in the process of me removing the air silencer and spraying the carb jets, I must have tripped an ignition stop switch somehow/somewhere. It healed itself and stayed that way all day with numerous starts and about one hour of run time. The end result was my bud sold it late this afternoon as originally intended. Thanks for all the help!