Burned Pistons No. 5&6

goodnuss

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I have a pair of 454 Merc marine 1989 with Rochester quad carbs rated at 750CFM.<br />Engines were rebuilt past winter re bored to 496 and new high torque cam installed.<br /><br />Had 34 hours on the engines and one failed. Two pistons burned thru, nos. 5&6. The reason has to be lean or ignition or both. Whould the existing quad reqiure new jetting because of the engine changes. This was not done but they were rebuilt.<br /><br />Looking for answers as they are rebulit we will not have another problem. do we need to resize the carbs or obtain rebuilt ones? Thanks for the input.
 

tommays

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

You had to have had some major pre ignition going on to burn holes thru 2 pistons I would think it must have been pinging pretty loud<br /><br />tommays
 

goodnuss

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

We did i hour our of Sault St. Marie headed to North Channel. Trucked boat back to Lake Eire.
 

ron7000

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

what stands out is that you have a pair of identical rebuilt motors and only one failed.<br /><br />On the engine with the 2 burnt pistons, because the other engine I'm assuming is completely fine, tells me maybe, and I stress maybe, that it may have had an improper valve setting. And if that were the case, I would expect to see evidence of valve damage as well on those two pistons. If all the other cylinders look good, and have some carbon buildup, then I think that would further indicate the valvetrain was the culprit and damage was limited to just those 2 cylinders on that motor.<br /><br />With only 34 hours on it, I'm guessing they saw minimal high rpms? Motors I hope turned up over 4200 rpms easily, you have correctly pitched props? If not, then you're overloading the motors and burned pistons are usually the consequence and I would expect similar damage to the other engine as well.<br /><br />As for the carbs, buy a book on the quad's if you're going to continue to use them. http://www.bob2000.com/bookscarb.html <br /><br />yes, if you rebore and/or re-cam then you'll will need to verify you're carb is sized right and jetted right. But from what I know about carburetion, if a stock 454 with the correct oem 750cfm carb is then rebored to 496, you will need to at least put in bigger main jets (and other parts depending on type of carb) to account for the extra air (along with fuel) the motor will call fall. If not, then it will definitely run lean, and burn pistons. Were all the spark plugs burnt? Maybe those two burnt cylinders, because of motor design would run leanest, hence they were just the first to go, and the rest should show signs of running lean. If that's the case, then you should have the same problem on the other engine as well, I'm sorry to say.
 

John Carpenter

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

It is also possible that those two plugs were not fully tightened. I had that happen to me once & it burnt a hole in the top of the #6 piston. Just a thought.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

hello<br /> normally a lean condition on a 4 stroke will burn a valve not hole a piston. overheat and preignition is the normal cause of holed pistons. your compression may be to high for the fuel type used now. bore size has a direct corralation with mechanical compression ratio. cam changes may cause vacum problems that must be compensated for by adjusting the secondary air valve setting on a Q-jet. most q-jets we used to race with got modified but we found anything over about 450 HP the q-jet struggled with. I would carefully check the timing advance at WOT and possiblly try colder plugs. and check the manifolds and risers carefully. to many times the WOT timing gets ignored. good luck and keep posting
 

Wart T

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Re: Burned Pistons No. 5&6

May have been something left in those cylinders. Doesnt take much. Small piece of metal shaving will do it.
 
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