Can't pull a skier.

TJones770

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Hi all, I'm new to this site and I'm new to boating. I recently bought a 1980 Ranger 178 bass boat with a 115 Mercury 4 cyl 2 stroke , serial # is 0c236383. The prop is aluminum and stamped Quick Silver 48 72760 A5 23P. I've been working hard to get this old boat back from the grave and I took it out camping last weekend for the first time. The problem is the performance just didn't seem to be there, she ran great but labored to get the kids flying on the towable tube and I'm looking to get a 200 pound buddy up on skis. I had about 575 lbs of weight in the boat and a full tank of gas which I believe to be a 16 gallon tank, making the entire weight in the boat close to 700 lbs. Full throttle it read 4000 rpm and my hand held GPS said 31 mph. Some of my buddies said that with 115 horses on that little fiberglass hull I should be doing close to 6000 rpm and 50 mph, If that's true how do I get there? Prop swap? If so which one? I'm looking for the most performance possible without damage....RED LINE BABY!
 

Sea Rider

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Re: Can't pull a skier.

Welcome to Iboats,

1 +,- prop pitch difference = +,- 150-200 rpm. If you intend to continue to pull skier with same currently load will theoretically need go several pitches down to gain minimum middle wot rpm to count with good overall hole shot. Check which are the factory wot parameters for your engine so to play with proper pitches. Probably could benefit installing a 4 blade prop.

At 4K revs you're excessively lugging the engine. Besides a good overall performance prop for generally use, could count with a spare one just for skier sole use. For top skiing with less fuel consumption would suggest a light loaded boat with just driver, spotter and skier and a prop match to achieve 1/2 to 3/4 of max top wot and be inside safe working parameters when skiing.

Happy Boating.
 
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MaPaHa

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Re: Can't pull a skier.

You’ve got the same problem I do. Watch the thread on 94 Javelin / 140 Evinrude and it may be helpful. This boat is about the same size as your’s and the motor is close in HP. I know back in the day Evinrude was rating HP at the crankshaft and not at the prop so mine is really about 125 real HP. I’m not sure about Mercury and your year model but my instinct says your’s is rated at the prop so you should be at 115 HP. Every boat runs a bit different but they are at least close enough to compare.

I’m running about the same rpm as you with two versions of a 21 pitch prop and neither one is anywhere close. It runs 4,200 rpm max and that’s going to kill the motor. On the other end, I’ve tried a 15 pitch big ear prop and it runs through 6,000 rpm which will eventually blow the motor up. The best one so far is the one I tried yesterday and it’s a 19 pitch (a bit beat up) and it ran about 5,000 with two people in the boat and about 5,200 with just me. My target rpm range is 5,000 – 5,500 on this motor.

The other factor to consider when comparing one rig to the next is the gear box ratio in the motor may not be the same. My 140 has a 2:1 ratio so 5,000 rpm equals 2,500 prop shaft rpm. I’ve got a later model 150 Johnson on another boat that has a 1.87:1 ratio (1 / 1.87 = .5347) so 5,000 rpm x .5347 = 2,674 prop shaft rpm. With all things on two comparable boats being equal except the gear box ratio, the lower 1.87 motor will lean towards a lower pitch prop because it’s turning faster.

If you want to figure speed and rpm on you’re rig then find a prop calculation formula you can input you’re data into and you can get an idea of max speed. There are several on the internet. If you like math then here’s the manual method I use along with an example using a 2:1 gear box and a 19 pitch prop.

5,000 rpm x .5 (2:1 gear box) = 2,500 prop shaft speed. Then, 2,500 rpm x 19 inches per revolution = 47,500 inches of forward movement per minute. Then, 47,500 / 12 inches per foot = 3,958.33 feet per minute. Then 3,958.33 x 60 minutes per hour = 237,500 feet per hour. Then 237,500 / 5280 feet per mile = 45 mph. This is the theoretical speed of this boat and then a slippage factor must be applied of say, 10-15% so the real speed with a good performing prop would be 38 – 40 mph.

I don’t know you’re gear box ratio but I seriously doubt that 23 pitch motor will ever work. 1st, I would google the gear box ratio so you can either run a calculation or just to note the difference between comparable motors/boats. I’m running what I can find so I don’t have to buy all of these props just to test. I’m close enough to know I need a 19 modified down to an 18 or a 17.

I’m guessing if you could find a 19 pitch to try that would be a good place to start. Follow the bit about the exhaust ports in the other thread because they help with hole shot. Also, if you do mostly skiing and tubing then I think a 4-blade would be a good choice. They are known for hole shot, good mid range and good stern lift. They make the boat run easy at tubing and skiing speed I can tell you from experience. You may lose 1-2 mph on top end.
 
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Texasmark

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Re: Can't pull a skier.

I'll tell you right now that you have way too much prop on that boat. With a 2:1 ratio gearbox and water toys 17-19 would be more realistic. 2 strokes don't like to be lugged and you are lugging yours with too much pitch. They do funny things when lugged.

I ran a 115 on my '89 17 1/2 foot Ranger and the most prop it wanted was 19. I bought a 19P SS Laser which was ported. The ports helped my son get me up on a slalom and regular performance was right at 50 and 6k rpms. No ports would have directed me to a 17P. Cupping on my prop adds essential pitch (about 1") but with SS blades the blade efficiency overcomes that .

Mark
 

moosehead

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Re: Can't pull a skier.

+4 you are way over propped and overloading your engine. The good news is that a lesser pitched prop will get you an optimized RPM at WOT, and a better holeshot for skiing.
 
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